Winkleman slams officials (From This Is Swindon Town FC)

London Red wrote:
I had a go at him yesterday - as only a bit of this was being quoted
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So sorry to him - as fair play about giving us credit and deserving the win - he does just seem angry at the refs
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Though how can he say Ferry grabbed him by the throat an that led to the elbow? Flint grabbed him by he throat but that was because of the elbow

London Red wrote:
I had a go at him yesterday - as only a bit of this was being quoted
.
So sorry to him - as fair play about giving us credit and deserving the win - he does just seem angry at the refs
.
Though how can he say Ferry grabbed him by the throat an that led to the elbow? Flint grabbed him by he throat but that was because of the elbow

Lazaat wrote:
Fair play to the bloke, he has put his argument over eloquently and accepts they lost to the better team on the day. I can understand him being upset at all their sendings off this season.

Nixie Wroughton wrote:
Off subject, I may have missed something somewhere, but what was Fowler doing at the match?

Stickshaker wrote:
Four questions:

Q. Was if a free kick?
A. Yes

Q. Did Ferry put his hands around
Holdsworth neck?
A. No

Q. Did Holdsworth elbow Ferry in the
face?
A. Yes

I can answer these questions as I was a lot closer than you Winkleman and I have watched it numerous times on video.

Wilesy wrote:

Stickshaker wrote:
Four questions:

Q. Was if a free kick?
A. Yes

Q. Did Ferry put his hands around
Holdsworth neck?
A. No

Q. Did Holdsworth elbow Ferry in the
face?
A. Yes

I can answer these questions as I was a lot closer than you Winkleman and I have watched it numerous times on video.

What's the fourth question lol

Nixie Wroughton wrote:
Off subject, I may have missed something somewhere, but what was Fowler doing at the match?

Oi Den! wrote:
In my eyes, the real problem is that it seems to be acceptable for players to grab hold of the ball and delay play when their team has conceded a free kick. If referees started booking players for things like that, we might get fewer of these scuffles. I don't blame the ref for sending Lewington off, but I think the law is an **** in this area. If a player is seen to be cheating, the worst he can expect is a booking. If he raises his arm towards an opponent in a minor scuffle, even with no malice involved, it's a straight sending off. Bonkers. There are far too many sendings off these days. Despite being delighted with the performance of our boys on Saturday, I thought the red card spoilt a good game - and also deprived us of the opportunity to complete a convincing performance against 11 men. I certainly wasn't applauding when Lewington was sent off. Yes, he should know better by now, but for football's sake, I wish we could see more games finish 11 v 11.

Stickshaker wrote:
Four questions:

Q. Was if a free kick?
A. Yes

Q. Did Ferry put his hands around
Holdsworth neck?
A. No

Q. Did Holdsworth elbow Ferry in the
face?
A. Yes

I can answer these questions as I was a lot closer than you Winkleman and I have watched it numerous times on video.

Oi Den! wrote:
In my eyes, the real problem is that it seems to be acceptable for players to grab hold of the ball and delay play when their team has conceded a free kick. If referees started booking players for things like that, we might get fewer of these scuffles. I don't blame the ref for sending Lewington off, but I think the law is an **** in this area. If a player is seen to be cheating, the worst he can expect is a booking. If he raises his arm towards an opponent in a minor scuffle, even with no malice involved, it's a straight sending off. Bonkers. There are far too many sendings off these days. Despite being delighted with the performance of our boys on Saturday, I thought the red card spoilt a good game - and also deprived us of the opportunity to complete a convincing performance against 11 men. I certainly wasn't applauding when Lewington was sent off. Yes, he should know better by now, but for football's sake, I wish we could see more games finish 11 v 11.

smirg kcab wrote:

Nixie Wroughton wrote: Off subject, I may have missed something somewhere, but what was Fowler doing at the match?

putting and taking winklemans coat off for him. Onwards and upwards

Steve. Brentford wrote:

Oi Den! wrote:
In my eyes, the real problem is that it seems to be acceptable for players to grab hold of the ball and delay play when their team has conceded a free kick. If referees started booking players for things like that, we might get fewer of these scuffles. I don't blame the ref for sending Lewington off, but I think the law is an **** in this area. If a player is seen to be cheating, the worst he can expect is a booking. If he raises his arm towards an opponent in a minor scuffle, even with no malice involved, it's a straight sending off. Bonkers. There are far too many sendings off these days. Despite being delighted with the performance of our boys on Saturday, I thought the red card spoilt a good game - and also deprived us of the opportunity to complete a convincing performance against 11 men. I certainly wasn't applauding when Lewington was sent off. Yes, he should know better by now, but for football's sake, I wish we could see more games finish 11 v 11.

I agree Den, to many players sent off these days however if the Ref`s punished all the cheating i don't think we would see many games finish, it`s not going to get any better any time soon in my eyes although its a shame the higher up the leagues you get the more cheating there seems to be,i believe we have the Italians to thank for lots of the rolling around and feigning of injury`s.
A PAIN IN THE BUTT MATE (are you allowed to say butt)

Stilloyal wrote:
Look at it again Winkers, Ferry tries to retrieve the ball from your player who then swings his elbow at our player. Idiot Flint then grabs Lewington by the throat and could have possibly walked with him for an early bath.
Flint needs to control himself, he's obviously been reading Paolo's book on rash, hot headed actions. He will spend some time suspended if he's not careful.
With Troy injured and Macca also on one booking we can't afford hot headed actions that will deplete our defence even further. I hope ward signs this week we certainly could use his experience.
As for the franchais they are not a bad team and I expect them to finish 2nd behind Town come May, but only if they can start to be disciplined on the pitch. Mind you having hard man Mick Harford as their # 2 they are always going to be physical.
It seems that M.K are low in players numbers which is surprising, maybe it's because they pay very high wages to a few and are close to the 55%.
P.S Shef U to finish mid table at best.

the wizard wrote:

Stilloyal wrote:
Look at it again Winkers, Ferry tries to retrieve the ball from your player who then swings his elbow at our player. Idiot Flint then grabs Lewington by the throat and could have possibly walked with him for an early bath.
Flint needs to control himself, he's obviously been reading Paolo's book on rash, hot headed actions. He will spend some time suspended if he's not careful.
With Troy injured and Macca also on one booking we can't afford hot headed actions that will deplete our defence even further. I hope ward signs this week we certainly could use his experience.
As for the franchais they are not a bad team and I expect them to finish 2nd behind Town come May, but only if they can start to be disciplined on the pitch. Mind you having hard man Mick Harford as their # 2 they are always going to be physical.
It seems that M.K are low in players numbers which is surprising, maybe it's because they pay very high wages to a few and are close to the 55%.
P.S Shef U to finish mid table at best.

Loyal, Many are saying Flint was very lucky not to walk over an incident where he was kicking a player while he was down recently. A few of us questioned his maturity last season and put a few indiscretions down to lack of experience. I think when Troy is fit again Flint won't appear as much. He needs to improve his questionable distribution as well. I don't question his dedication or his commitment, but his professionalism needs to improve. I'm sure he will improve, but I feel he gets involved all too easily in affairs that don't really concern him, Saturday being a good example. he should let the ref make those decisions.

who am i wrote:

Wilesy wrote:

Stickshaker wrote: Four questions: Q. Was if a free kick? A. Yes Q. Did Ferry put his hands around Holdsworth neck? A. No Q. Did Holdsworth elbow Ferry in the face? A. Yes I can answer these questions as I was a lot closer than you Winkleman and I have watched it numerous times on video.

What's the fourth question lol

Q can i gat the players name in question right A No lol

the don69 wrote:

Steve. Brentford wrote:

Oi Den! wrote:
In my eyes, the real problem is that it seems to be acceptable for players to grab hold of the ball and delay play when their team has conceded a free kick. If referees started booking players for things like that, we might get fewer of these scuffles. I don't blame the ref for sending Lewington off, but I think the law is an **** in this area. If a player is seen to be cheating, the worst he can expect is a booking. If he raises his arm towards an opponent in a minor scuffle, even with no malice involved, it's a straight sending off. Bonkers. There are far too many sendings off these days. Despite being delighted with the performance of our boys on Saturday, I thought the red card spoilt a good game - and also deprived us of the opportunity to complete a convincing performance against 11 men. I certainly wasn't applauding when Lewington was sent off. Yes, he should know better by now, but for football's sake, I wish we could see more games finish 11 v 11.

I agree Den, to many players sent off these days however if the Ref`s punished all the cheating i don't think we would see many games finish, it`s not going to get any better any time soon in my eyes although its a shame the higher up the leagues you get the more cheating there seems to be,i believe we have the Italians to thank for lots of the rolling around and feigning of injury`s.
A PAIN IN THE BUTT MATE (are you allowed to say butt)

Simple Solution to cheating and serious foul play Steve&Den,dock teams points,but the FA haven't got the B@lls to do it,so it just carry's on and on!if managers knew they would lose points,it would soon stop!!!!!!!!

madterrier wrote:

the don69 wrote:

Steve. Brentford wrote:

Oi Den! wrote:
In my eyes, the real problem is that it seems to be acceptable for players to grab hold of the ball and delay play when their team has conceded a free kick. If referees started booking players for things like that, we might get fewer of these scuffles. I don't blame the ref for sending Lewington off, but I think the law is an **** in this area. If a player is seen to be cheating, the worst he can expect is a booking. If he raises his arm towards an opponent in a minor scuffle, even with no malice involved, it's a straight sending off. Bonkers. There are far too many sendings off these days. Despite being delighted with the performance of our boys on Saturday, I thought the red card spoilt a good game - and also deprived us of the opportunity to complete a convincing performance against 11 men. I certainly wasn't applauding when Lewington was sent off. Yes, he should know better by now, but for football's sake, I wish we could see more games finish 11 v 11.

I agree Den, to many players sent off these days however if the Ref`s punished all the cheating i don't think we would see many games finish, it`s not going to get any better any time soon in my eyes although its a shame the higher up the leagues you get the more cheating there seems to be,i believe we have the Italians to thank for lots of the rolling around and feigning of injury`s.
A PAIN IN THE BUTT MATE (are you allowed to say butt)

Simple Solution to cheating and serious foul play Steve&Den,dock teams points,but the FA haven't got the B@lls to do it,so it just carry's on and on!if managers knew they would lose points,it would soon stop!!!!!!!!

^
This.

London Red wrote:
Flint was never ever going to walk yesterday - if he did everytime there was a bad tackle it would end up 5 a side! . Haven't seen the kicking stuff but yesterday was nothing and was what hundreds and hundreds of players do week in week out. It's protectionism in a team as players don't want to see their mates unnecessarily injured

Oi Den! wrote:

the wizard wrote:

Stilloyal wrote: Look at it again Winkers, Ferry tries to retrieve the ball from your player who then swings his elbow at our player. Idiot Flint then grabs Lewington by the throat and could have possibly walked with him for an early bath. Flint needs to control himself, he's obviously been reading Paolo's book on rash, hot headed actions. He will spend some time suspended if he's not careful. With Troy injured and Macca also on one booking we can't afford hot headed actions that will deplete our defence even further. I hope ward signs this week we certainly could use his experience. As for the franchais they are not a bad team and I expect them to finish 2nd behind Town come May, but only if they can start to be disciplined on the pitch. Mind you having hard man Mick Harford as their # 2 they are always going to be physical. It seems that M.K are low in players numbers which is surprising, maybe it's because they pay very high wages to a few and are close to the 55%. P.S Shef U to finish mid table at best.

Loyal, Many are saying Flint was very lucky not to walk over an incident where he was kicking a player while he was down recently. A few of us questioned his maturity last season and put a few indiscretions down to lack of experience. I think when Troy is fit again Flint won't appear as much. He needs to improve his questionable distribution as well. I don't question his dedication or his commitment, but his professionalism needs to improve. I'm sure he will improve, but I feel he gets involved all too easily in affairs that don't really concern him, Saturday being a good example. he should let the ref make those decisions.

Wiz, although I agree that Flint's discipline needs improving, I think he has otherwise been a rock in the last couple of games. He looks leaner and fitter than last season, and I also believe his distribution has improved. Most of his long balls (yep - we play 'em) have been weighted rather than just hoofed. Overall, I feel we are a bit more secure with him in there than with Archibald-Henville, who I think is a decent player. Although the quality in this division is mostly better than the opposition we faced last season, there is still a fair bit of agricultural stuff, and I believe Flint is the man to deal with that.

Stilloyal wrote:

London Red wrote: Flint was never ever going to walk yesterday - if he did everytime there was a bad tackle it would end up 5 a side! . Haven't seen the kicking stuff but yesterday was nothing and was what hundreds and hundreds of players do week in week out. It's protectionism in a team as players don't want to see their mates unnecessarily injured

Raising your hand in an aggressive way to an opponant is still against the rules and has been punished by a red card in the past. I think it was lucky this event went unseen or ignored by the officials. Hope Troy is fit soon.

Stilloyal wrote:

Stilloyal wrote:

London Red wrote: Flint was never ever going to walk yesterday - if he did everytime there was a bad tackle it would end up 5 a side! . Haven't seen the kicking stuff but yesterday was nothing and was what hundreds and hundreds of players do week in week out. It's protectionism in a team as players don't want to see their mates unnecessarily injured

Raising your hand in an aggressive way to an opponant is still against the rules and has been punished by a red card in the past. I think it was lucky this event went unseen or ignored by the officials. Hope Troy is fit soon.

P.S You can defend a team mate without grabbing an opponant by the throat.

Stilloyal wrote:

Oi Den! wrote:

the wizard wrote:

Stilloyal wrote: Look at it again Winkers, Ferry tries to retrieve the ball from your player who then swings his elbow at our player. Idiot Flint then grabs Lewington by the throat and could have possibly walked with him for an early bath. Flint needs to control himself, he's obviously been reading Paolo's book on rash, hot headed actions. He will spend some time suspended if he's not careful. With Troy injured and Macca also on one booking we can't afford hot headed actions that will deplete our defence even further. I hope ward signs this week we certainly could use his experience. As for the franchais they are not a bad team and I expect them to finish 2nd behind Town come May, but only if they can start to be disciplined on the pitch. Mind you having hard man Mick Harford as their # 2 they are always going to be physical. It seems that M.K are low in players numbers which is surprising, maybe it's because they pay very high wages to a few and are close to the 55%. P.S Shef U to finish mid table at best.

Loyal, Many are saying Flint was very lucky not to walk over an incident where he was kicking a player while he was down recently. A few of us questioned his maturity last season and put a few indiscretions down to lack of experience. I think when Troy is fit again Flint won't appear as much. He needs to improve his questionable distribution as well. I don't question his dedication or his commitment, but his professionalism needs to improve. I'm sure he will improve, but I feel he gets involved all too easily in affairs that don't really concern him, Saturday being a good example. he should let the ref make those decisions.

Wiz, although I agree that Flint's discipline needs improving, I think he has otherwise been a rock in the last couple of games. He looks leaner and fitter than last season, and I also believe his distribution has improved. Most of his long balls (yep - we play 'em) have been weighted rather than just hoofed. Overall, I feel we are a bit more secure with him in there than with Archibald-Henville, who I think is a decent player. Although the quality in this division is mostly better than the opposition we faced last season, there is still a fair bit of agricultural stuff, and I believe Flint is the man to deal with that.

Wiz , I agree with what you're saying here.

Den he is leaner and fitter than last season but I can't agree that we are more secure with him in the team. As I said 2 weeks ago he'll get chances against the more direct teams and he could be an advantage tomorrow at the Brittania.
However he doesn't have the quality that Di Canio is looking for, he's just not cultured enough. Whether he can hone some skills is to be seen, I hope he can but until that time I fear his chances will be limited.

London Red wrote:
Flint was never ever going to walk yesterday - if he did everytime there was a bad tackle it would end up 5 a side!
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Haven't seen the kicking stuff but yesterday was nothing and was what hundreds and hundreds of players do week in week out. It's protectionism in a team as players don't want to see their mates unnecessarily injured

Chish and Fips wrote:
One thing to consider - if these, according to Mr W are not 'sending off's (exception of one)' have they contested these decisions with the FA to get them overturned, it appears not.

redjet wrote:

Chish and Fips wrote: One thing to consider - if these, according to Mr W are not 'sending off's (exception of one)' have they contested these decisions with the FA to get them overturned, it appears not.

Thats because it is an absolute waste of time telling them that one of their officials was wrong, they never admit guilt and then they increase the punishment for wasting their time contesting the decision. If they were a govenment they would be classed as dictators.

Swindon1984 wrote:

redjet wrote:

Chish and Fips wrote: One thing to consider - if these, according to Mr W are not 'sending off's (exception of one)' have they contested these decisions with the FA to get them overturned, it appears not.

Thats because it is an absolute waste of time telling them that one of their officials was wrong, they never admit guilt and then they increase the punishment for wasting their time contesting the decision. If they were a govenment they would be classed as dictators.

Wouldn't go along with that completely - there have been some contentious decisions which have been turned over on appeal, however if the appeal is made without reasonable grounds they will increase the punishment for wasting their time. An appeal would be totally pointless in this case though, the video evidence supports the referee's decision. You could argue that it also implicates Flint but there we go.