FULL TIME: Town 1 Brentford 1 (From This Is Swindon Town FC)

Morrison MoM, hmmmm

good old pericard barn door you could not give him away more points lost . security word fail -club how true.

Well at least a point, I guess will take longer for this lot to get it together.
Only being able to listen over the IT i felt by sounds of it other that the first 15 mins the Town had a hard game and as said at least they got something.
as to SM sounded as if he had a decent game, question is with so many changes I think we have a team of midfielders, still is early days, listened to AF interview and looks as if what we have is what we get unless one of the targets become available.
For fans is frustrating, yet to be fair AF and DW so far have done ok.We ware 3 games into season in the leauge lost 1 drawn 2 so lets hope sooner than later they will get organised. However good fightback again

Get off his back whitety he played well today and did brilliantly to create the chance at the end...moron...back your players

so'ton red wrote:
Get off his back whitety he played well today and did brilliantly to create the chance at the end...moron...back your players

Agreed - Vince may not have scored but he did play quite well today!

Big Vince did well, but apart from Morrison defense look all over the place at times.

What I don't understand how FERRY don't start.

I really think we are not playing to our strengths with the players we have. Wilson insists playing this 442 with overlapping full backs when we have one of the best midfield's in the division.

We need to play to the strengths of the players we have at the club, and to my mind, this is 3-5-2.

I would like to see

lucas

lecinel jean francois
sean morrison
scott cuthbert

jonathan douglas (DM)
simon ferry (AM)
david prutton\john paul mcgovern (AM)
michael rose\a o'brien\david ball (LW)
paul caddis\kevin amankwaah (RW)

charlie austin
thomas dossevi\vincent perricard

This is playing to our strengths, and in paul caddis we have one of the best crossers of the ball in this league, and possible above.

I hope wilson tries this, as it is much more dynamic and can change easier dependent on the way the game is going,becoming more offensive or defensive as needed.

whitety wrote:
good old pericard barn door you could not give him away more points lost . security word fail -club how true.

Were you actually at the game? If so, you no nothing about football, if not shut the F up and crawl back under your arm chair, cretin!

I noticed Ifil is doing well for Aberdeen who top the Scottish premier league.

Something to build on I suppose and it was good to see Kennedy get a run out, who in my opinion is a better left back than Rose.

Say what you think whitey. Fools like this would still be backing malpas and his run of bad luck!

Rose again has made a poor decision which cost us dear when really he should have just leathered it into touch. I have been saying that so far Rose has been weak in defence and does not command like Sheehan did last season. Hate to say it but even though it is early days we lack shape and cohesion with very disjointed displays. We are certainly missing Paynter's hold up play as the high balls were almost coming straight back at us. People knock Lesci but his distribution is far better than Cuthberts and do not understand why we pump high balls up to Austin and Dossevi when their backs were virtually winning everything. Poor displays from JPM, Douglas, O'Brien, Rose, Cuthbert and even Austin who does not look match fit and has lost his sharpness. Morrison MOM yes I agree with that and Prutton played well today. Early days but not looking to great at the moment as I am sure we should be beating these sort of teams. Why Is Ferry not starting is one question for Danny as our midfield seem all out of sorts with Douglas a pale shaddow of himself so far this season. Is the captain's armand weighing the fella down I wonder. Still take the positives and that's 2 games where we have come back from goals down.

come back from goals down every week shi-- team relegation fight coming

Not wishing to be negative, but this is now a trend of 10 games of very indifferent results, if the poor finish to last season is included. To be fair, this is a new team and with several new players, but surely a decent win is not too much to expect and sooner rather than later?

Another lack lustre performance, especially the defence which could have conceded 3 or 4 goals. Nobody apart from Morrison got to grips with the windy conditions, again no lessons learned from the first two games with too many long balls by-passing the mid-field. Caddis was given the run around by Weston, lacks pace and was caught out of position on a number of occassions. Rose, I'll say no more, just not up to it I'm afraid. Sean Morrison did well, kept it simple and dominated in the air, deserved MoM. Cuthbert is just not marshalling the defence like Greer used to do. If Danny brings in another CB, his place in the team is by no means safe. Don't know what has happened to JD, a shadow of the player he was last season. Still not very impressed with Prutton, he did score a goal and was a little better than he was against Brighton, but for me I'd rather see Simon Ferry playing behind the front guys, he seems to have a better understanding playing with JD and JPM.

O'Brien and Dossevi did OK, Charlie is struggling to make space for himself, Vince did well when he came on. it's a pity he couldn't put his chance away just before time.

All things considered 2 point from 9 against average opposition is relegation form. Danny has not yet got the team playing it on the ground, which means he probably hasn't got the right nucleous, of players. I don't know why, but in past seasons we've always played better against the better teams, just don't understand why we make such hard work of dominating play against bottom of the table teams.

This performance makes me worried. Rose was very poor, not just for the goal, but then the defence was disorganised in general. Prutton was absent for the majority of the game, but then the midfield was absent for most of it. Morrisons performance was encouraging and whats going on taking Dossevi off. If he's injured, fair enough, if not then Wilson is an idiot. We were outplayed and should have lost this game if we are honest with ourselves.

Stratton Red wrote:

whitety wrote:
good old pericard barn door you could not give him away more points lost . security word fail -club how true.

Were you actually at the game? If so, you no nothing about football, if not shut the F up and crawl back under your arm chair, cretin!

Austin didn't score today - does that make him rubbish aswell? Thought not.
If fact Austin missed a header in the second half that he really should of at least got on target. Pericard held the ball up well and distributed it to wingers pretty much every time today and I'd of loved it for it to have gone in at the end. Cos then I would of been able to come on here and not listen to the endless nonsense like yours!

mikek wrote:
Rose again has made a poor decision which cost us dear when really he should have just leathered it into touch. I have been saying that so far Rose has been weak in defence and does not command like Sheehan did last season. Hate to say it but even though it is early days we lack shape and cohesion with very disjointed displays. We are certainly missing Paynter's hold up play as the high balls were almost coming straight back at us. People knock Lesci but his distribution is far better than Cuthberts and do not understand why we pump high balls up to Austin and Dossevi when their backs were virtually winning everything. Poor displays from JPM, Douglas, O'Brien, Rose, Cuthbert and even Austin who does not look match fit and has lost his sharpness. Morrison MOM yes I agree with that and Prutton played well today. Early days but not looking to great at the moment as I am sure we should be beating these sort of teams. Why Is Ferry not starting is one question for Danny as our midfield seem all out of sorts with Douglas a pale shaddow of himself so far this season. Is the captain's armand weighing the fella down I wonder. Still take the positives and that's 2 games where we have come back from goals down.

Mikek,

Good post. Agree with almost all of your comments, but for me I'm still not sure about Prutton, he doesn't win enough 50 - 50 balls for me and not impressed with his long passes going into touch, especially the first half when the wind was behind us.

Reading the comments above, I'm afraid i have to disagree with some.

Mikek, whilst a reasoned poster, you are a tad harsh in the midst of more points dropped at home I think. Maybe tomorrow things will seem less disappointing?

I fail to see how you can make such a judgement on the comparison between kennedy and rose? Rose did well today apart from his mistake, and overall played much better than against Brighton, so some would argue, he seems to be settling in to the side and making a contribution, especially going forward?

I also thought that in the 1st half particularly, austin and dossevi did very well with the occasional long ball played up to them, and it was occasional only. The only time the long ball did not appear to work was during a 5 minute spell in the 2nd half shortly after dossevi was taken off for ball, then it looked like we had no chance of out jumping the central defensive pairing. Once pericard came on, the long ball was an option again, not a complete answer, but an option, and we used it well at times.

Old town robin, hardly a lacklustre performance was it? We started very brightly indeed and only suffered momentarily due to an individual defensive error again.

why so quick to jump on the defenders backs about using the long ball as well? You mention that we seem to be by-passing the midfield all the time, but you do not seem to look at it from a defenders point of view? Have you considered that maybe the defenders feel they have to use the long ball at times during the game because there simply is no midfield outlet to short pass to?

In the games I've seen so far this season, it is our midfield that have been found wanting, and for me the central pairing of douglas/prutton is yet to deliver on its promise. Far from it.

I also think it's harsh and slightly narrow minded to claim that we are not yet playing it on the ground, there was plenty of football played on the ground today, in amongst some more direct stuff, did you miss it?

Having said all of that I thought todays performance had more energy, creativeness and overall general improvement in play than the brighton game, so for me, progress is being made, albeit slowly.

My only gripe is that a slow start cost us last season, and it looks like de ja vu a little at present.

whitety wrote:
good old pericard barn door you could not give him away more points lost . security word fail -club how true.

There were 7 or 8 players out there sunshine making a complete arse of an easy game to be honest so do you hate Pericard that much that its all his fault. Poor displays from most of the team including Austin who looks totally unfit and a few chances were missed by our team long before Pericard came on. Pericard in fact did very well and held the ball up which no one else was doing up until then. Get real will you.

avo wrote:
Reading the comments above, I'm afraid i have to disagree with some.

Mikek, whilst a reasoned poster, you are a tad harsh in the midst of more points dropped at home I think. Maybe tomorrow things will seem less disappointing?

I fail to see how you can make such a judgement on the comparison between kennedy and rose? Rose did well today apart from his mistake, and overall played much better than against Brighton, so some would argue, he seems to be settling in to the side and making a contribution, especially going forward?

I also thought that in the 1st half particularly, austin and dossevi did very well with the occasional long ball played up to them, and it was occasional only. The only time the long ball did not appear to work was during a 5 minute spell in the 2nd half shortly after dossevi was taken off for ball, then it looked like we had no chance of out jumping the central defensive pairing. Once pericard came on, the long ball was an option again, not a complete answer, but an option, and we used it well at times.

Old town robin, hardly a lacklustre performance was it? We started very brightly indeed and only suffered momentarily due to an individual defensive error again.

why so quick to jump on the defenders backs about using the long ball as well? You mention that we seem to be by-passing the midfield all the time, but you do not seem to look at it from a defenders point of view? Have you considered that maybe the defenders feel they have to use the long ball at times during the game because there simply is no midfield outlet to short pass to?

In the games I've seen so far this season, it is our midfield that have been found wanting, and for me the central pairing of douglas/prutton is yet to deliver on its promise. Far from it.

I also think it's harsh and slightly narrow minded to claim that we are not yet playing it on the ground, there was plenty of football played on the ground today, in amongst some more direct stuff, did you miss it?

Having said all of that I thought todays performance had more energy, creativeness and overall general improvement in play than the brighton game, so for me, progress is being made, albeit slowly.

My only gripe is that a slow start cost us last season, and it looks like de ja vu a little at present.

Avo, agree with almost all your post. But was a poor start to the season that cost us? We were 2nd with about 10 to go. For me it was the indifferent end to the season that cost us,

But point taken more points this time last year and who knows we may have gone up

mikek wrote:

whitety wrote:
good old pericard barn door you could not give him away more points lost . security word fail -club how true.

There were 7 or 8 players out there sunshine making a complete arse of an easy game to be honest so do you hate Pericard that much that its all his fault. Poor displays from most of the team including Austin who looks totally unfit and a few chances were missed by our team long before Pericard came on. Pericard in fact did very well and held the ball up which no one else was doing up until then. Get real will you.

Agree, we did lift our game when Pericard came on, although I still can't get my head around why Dossevi came off (was he injured???). Overall though, should have been a comfortable win for Brentford.

old town robin wrote:
Another lack lustre performance, especially the defence which could have conceded 3 or 4 goals. Nobody apart from Morrison got to grips with the windy conditions, again no lessons learned from the first two games with too many long balls by-passing the mid-field. Caddis was given the run around by Weston, lacks pace and was caught out of position on a number of occassions. Rose, I'll say no more, just not up to it I'm afraid. Sean Morrison did well, kept it simple and dominated in the air, deserved MoM. Cuthbert is just not marshalling the defence like Greer used to do. If Danny brings in another CB, his place in the team is by no means safe. Don't know what has happened to JD, a shadow of the player he was last season. Still not very impressed with Prutton, he did score a goal and was a little better than he was against Brighton, but for me I'd rather see Simon Ferry playing behind the front guys, he seems to have a better understanding playing with JD and JPM. O'Brien and Dossevi did OK, Charlie is struggling to make space for himself, Vince did well when he came on. it's a pity he couldn't put his chance away just before time. All things considered 2 point from 9 against average opposition is relegation form. Danny has not yet got the team playing it on the ground, which means he probably hasn't got the right nucleous, of players. I don't know why, but in past seasons we've always played better against the better teams, just don't understand why we make such hard work of dominating play against bottom of the table teams.

Have to agree with this post, Caddis is good going forward but not great in defence. Weston gave him the runaround all game and was left unmarked a couple of times and shold have scored. When Caddis goes forward JP must drop back to cover otherwise like today, we will keep getting caught out at the back. Rose, yet to be convinced by. Morrison MOM. Cuthbert, struggling. All in all a defence that will concede goals. Mid table at best unless we start sorting these problems out.

A frustrating afternoon really. We showed a lot of promise in the opening minute - straight at 'em and dominating the play.

Yet alas undone by some sloppy defending. It was a joke of a goal to give away. For me the defence does not look comfortable at all. I think we did miss LJF today as his distribution would have certainly helped. Morrison did ok but not sure about MOM at all - some of his passing was way too casual.

Prutton - good to see him getting a goal but am I the only one thinking he's far too defensive minded? There's times when he takes too many touches and he's always keener to pass back than take it on forward.

Why is there no one shouting and taking command at the back? There were times when communication and leadership were desperately needed and if Cuthbert is the vice captain he should be shouting and holllering - all I heard was silence.

On the positive side, we didnt give up and there were a few chances right at then end when Austin and Pericard could have buried it. We are scoring goals because we're creating chances.

Although I have been critical of VP, we needed someone like him up against their brutish centre backs - would like to have seen him come on earlier as Dossevi wasnt winning that battle.

Maybe not quite the form to set the world on fire just as the moment but it could be a whole lot worse.

You Redzzz

Lets just confine ourselves to the facts here. Yet again we conceded a very early sloppy goal, a rather silly mistake which really at this level our players should not be making. Cuthbert and for that matter JD since gaining their respective extra responsibilities of Captain and vice Captain have misfired rather badly, and JD has now picked up 2 yellow cards , not like him. Now I am NOT having a go at them as I think that tinker man Wilson is at the root of the problem, NO FERRY.there is no doubt about it, Simon brings good calming influence to this team. It is not like these guys to mis function like this, and we are now sinking towards mid table form. Today, this was 2 points lost, if we are to maintain asperations of promotion we need to look further than the 11 on the park. It has to be the right 11, that will work and flo with each other. Good to see Vinnie adding a performance again today and yet again unlucky. Another strong point is O'Brien consolidating and improving game on game, but the strong mid field is unbalancing the team. Glad to see Prutton getting a goal and he seemed better today, Austin so unlucky, but lucky to survive the game without serious injury.
Come on Danny Wilson, never mind the talk the talk, please sort out this malais we have and get this machine back to playing the football that took us so far last season. Balance needs restoring, you wanted these guys, now you have them, sort them out into a balanced and flowing side, you pick the team, so pick the right one and lets get back to winning ways, please. All the post match talk on the radio about the players, but you seem reluctant to to critisise your own selection, or justify it come to that. Time for you to step up to the plate and select a winning side Danny.

joey butler wrote:
Not wishing to be negative, but this is now a trend of 10 games of very indifferent results, if the poor finish to last season is included. To be fair, this is a new team and with several new players, but surely a decent win is not too much to expect and sooner rather than later?

SPOT ON MATE...
STFC as a team are VERY VERY EASY to play against.
Their has not been a change in style tactics or shape in are team ever since we were held 1.1 against exeter...

I HATE TO SAY IT,
BUT HAS ARE MANAGEMENT LOST THE PLOT..??????

"avo" Whilst I admit that your postings are very always very good and ones which I find mostly agreeable I have not compared Kennedy to Rose in fact did not mention Kennedy. With respect to how I see the game many folk around me thought it was much worse than how I posted. We all see different games, but I thought after the Brentford Goal we were quite poor and looked very disjointed. Dossevi had more balls put in the air to him than you are accounting for and he never won one of them. Its only my opinion at the end of the day and worth discussion if someone disagrees. The game was not that inspiring I felt and even though we will take the few positive, its seems to be a gelling issue with players playing as individuals and not a team at this moment in time.

Just got back, and I think we are in for a long hard season.We should be turning over mediocre rubbish like Brentford routinely.My take on the team Rose, absolute rubbish play Kennedy instead, Caddis very, very good going forward, but equally suspect defensively.Prutton, rubbish nowhere near as good as Ferry I just can't see how he gets in the side ahead of Simon.Ball looked lively when he came on, but missed an absolute sitter with a free near post header from a corner kick routine.And for those slating Pericard, if you were at the game you would know that he actually did make an impact on the game today, I thought he did well today.Solution Kennedy, Amankwah in at full back, centre half desperately needed to marshal the defence.Caddis to right side of midfield, Ferry in for Prutton, decent left winger needed to replace the very quick, but otherwise poor O'brien,Dossevi, Austin fine.The changes need to happen very quickly, or we are going to be in very deep s**t.Finally we did play a little better today than against Brighton, but a crowd 2,000 plus down on that game(Brighton) tells it's own story, and unless we improve rapidly the crowds are going to fall even further, and faster.Urgent remedial action needed.

avo wrote:
Reading the comments above, I'm afraid i have to disagree with some. Mikek, whilst a reasoned poster, you are a tad harsh in the midst of more points dropped at home I think. Maybe tomorrow things will seem less disappointing? I fail to see how you can make such a judgement on the comparison between kennedy and rose? Rose did well today apart from his mistake, and overall played much better than against Brighton, so some would argue, he seems to be settling in to the side and making a contribution, especially going forward? I also thought that in the 1st half particularly, austin and dossevi did very well with the occasional long ball played up to them, and it was occasional only. The only time the long ball did not appear to work was during a 5 minute spell in the 2nd half shortly after dossevi was taken off for ball, then it looked like we had no chance of out jumping the central defensive pairing. Once pericard came on, the long ball was an option again, not a complete answer, but an option, and we used it well at times. Old town robin, hardly a lacklustre performance was it? We started very brightly indeed and only suffered momentarily due to an individual defensive error again. why so quick to jump on the defenders backs about using the long ball as well? You mention that we seem to be by-passing the midfield all the time, but you do not seem to look at it from a defenders point of view? Have you considered that maybe the defenders feel they have to use the long ball at times during the game because there simply is no midfield outlet to short pass to? In the games I've seen so far this season, it is our midfield that have been found wanting, and for me the central pairing of douglas/prutton is yet to deliver on its promise. Far from it. I also think it's harsh and slightly narrow minded to claim that we are not yet playing it on the ground, there was plenty of football played on the ground today, in amongst some more direct stuff, did you miss it? Having said all of that I thought todays performance had more energy, creativeness and overall general improvement in play than the brighton game, so for me, progress is being made, albeit slowly. My only gripe is that a slow start cost us last season, and it looks like de ja vu a little at present.

Avo,

Some good points from a different view point. For me I still think it was a lack lustre performance. The overall performance was dodgy in defence, (apart from Morrison) and lacked ambition up front. How many times did we get into goal scoring chances around the edge of the penaly area and nobody had a pot on goal?

My concerns with the defence is because I cannot remember the last time we kept a clean sheet because of defensive mistakes that cost us goals against and points. Has to be last March I guess.

For our first 3 games this season we have had to try and come from behind because of sloppy defending, Even Danny has commented on it, so not sure why you think conceding goals is not the problem of the defence. I agree with you the mid-field is not well balanced and definitely are part of the problem by not closing down quick enough on the opposition and making themselves available to receive a pass or even a throw in!!

Yes, I did see the ball on the ground, passing sideways or back, how many times did we create openings going forward, very few me thinks.

I'm not going to dwell on what is now history. I think it might do us good to play away from home for the next couple of games, Brentford did a good job today and probably deserved a point, at least unlike the thugs of Brighton they came here to play football.

My first time watching STFC today since Wembley.
In a nut shell - key issue is midfield. Apart from heading the equaliser Prutton flattered to deceive. If Douglas is sitting in front of the back 4 tidying up and moving the ball out quickly I need to see Prutton playing a 'Lampardesque' role supporting the attack and then getting back to help out. Thought he was carried today.
Secondly, Rose recovered well after awful error and should have stayed on longer, though great to see Kennedy back.
Thirdly, why bring Ball on up front for Dossevi, who is sharp, skilful and inventive and deserved longer on the pitch. Ball won nothing in the air yet carried more threat with his close control/dribbling once moved onto the left.
Morrison looked assured and hopefully, will rise to the opportunity presenting itself. Deserved MOM.
We need a left footed midfielder, like Weston was for Brentford, who carries pace and a quality delivery. Kennedy could certainly add balance to the team playing the role instead of O'Brien, who isn't a left-sided player.
Us fans have high hopes after Wembley, yet the machine that's STFC just needs some tweaking and adjusting, then wins will certainly arrive.
Wilson must be brave enough to drop new signings if they are seen to be 'coasting' in the team

As much as people don't agree with whitety's post re Pericard he is right.

For a striker Pericard's record is not good - 21 goals in 142 games is not a top strikers return.

Saying that I don't blame it all on Pericard. DW must take some of if not all the blame as he knew Pericard's record when he signed him. Personally I think he signed him based purely on the 4 goals in 10 games for Carlisle.
But as many said re Paynter very striker has one good season or period.. And that was probably Pericard's best return.

Also there were scouts sat behind me in the second half that were either looking at our strikers or Brentford's defenders..

One scout was dressed in a Hull tie and jacket..

Couldn't tell about the other two..

Pericard's record is not good - 21 goals in 142 games is not a top strikers return.

That is SHOCKING.
It look lmore ike a defenders recoard


s/w poor-strik

As stated we need to go 352, caddis to right wing to play to his strengths, ferry HAS to be in the team. Rose can play left wing if necessary. We control the midfield we control the game.
Its adjustable and plays to our strengths.

The tactics are our downfall, and that is purey down to wilson.

im in a minority of 1 but i think we should play
to our strenghts with what players we have available. i think we should play 4 3 2 1 with the line up being.
lucas
caddis
cuthbert
morrison
rose

ferry
douglas
prutton

austin
dossevi

perricard.

this would provide a solid midfeild.we would get the width from caddis and rose overlapping and vince would play as the lone central striker taking all the pressure and allowing austin and dossevi to play of him and allow them to attack from slightly behind vince.no good playin 4 4 2 as we dont have the players for that system.what do you guys think?

Oddly enough I came away from today's game feeling quite encouraged. Dossevi and Austin again worked their ar5es off, Morrison, apart from a couple of lapses, looked assured, Caddis played a good thoughtful game, and - I never thought I'd say this - Pericard showed some good signs. But despite the positives we are still a shadow of last season's side. Unfortunately I don't think Prutton or Rose have added anything, and I just don't understand why Wilson doesn't play Ferry. The misfiring midfield is our main problem. Ferry has already proved his worth. He should be in there, feeding the strikers and taking the pressure off Douglas. Maybe we could then start to unlock the potential that is obviously still there.

prutton and rose-when we signed them postings on this site said how glad and impressed everyone was that we signed them after there performances for colchester and norwich respectively.they dont become bad players overnight its just the system we are playing and im sure they will both yet shine for stfc

interesting, well 3 games gone and wilson is still not sure what our best team is. i think we will come good in the end. yes we do need a CB and i think that will help. we do miss so bad danny ward. keep the faith swindon fans our club is in the best shape for many years.

CAROLYN1962 wrote:
im in a minority of 1 but i think we should play
to our strenghts with what players we have available. i think we should play 4 3 2 1 with the line up being.
lucas
caddis
cuthbert
morrison
rose

ferry
douglas
prutton

austin
dossevi

perricard.

this would provide a solid midfeild.we would get the width from caddis and rose overlapping and vince would play as the lone central striker taking all the pressure and allowing austin and dossevi to play of him and allow them to attack from slightly behind vince.no good playin 4 4 2 as we dont have the players for that system.what do you guys think?

Interesting post Carolyn, I think you are right about us not having the players to suit 4-4-2.I would opt for a 4- 2-3-1 set up with a back 4 of KA, SC, SM/LJF, KC.Two holding midfielders JD, DP, attacking midfielders TD, SF, DB, with CA up front on his own.Just a ppov but I think it would be more fluid than the present system.

CAROLYN1962 wrote:
prutton and rose-when we signed them postings on this site said how glad and impressed everyone was that we signed them after there performances for colchester and norwich respectively.they dont become bad players overnight its just the system we are playing and im sure they will both yet shine for stfc

I accept that there could be better to come from both of them. But I really don't believe that the system can be the problem - especially for a full back. As for past exploits, a friend of mine who is a Col U season ticket holder said that Prutton was pretty ineffective after his first few performances for them. Rather than take that at face value, I would prefer to judge him on what he does for us.

its not just a CB we need, we also need a better left winger and another forward. We didnt make a big signing to replace paynter's 29 goals. dossevi was a trialist and I think will do lots of good work but is maybe a 15 a season man, which then puts even more pressure on Austin to be our main goal scorer as Im unconvinced Pericard/ball are going to score more than 15 between them. Pericard may not even get 5. I see macken and Reid went to walsall, one of those would have been decent, or kandol whos already been mentioned. Which then leads where the goals are coming from in other areas and I dont think we have significantly strengthened in that respect.(prutton could chip in with a few but who else?)
I also agree with other posters we should play to our strengths and Danny Wilson should try a 352 against mk dons, so caddis/JPM and rose/Obrien/kennedy can concentrate more on going forward and less on defense. We then have 3 CB, one of whom HAS to be the new experienced commanding signing who hopefully organises/keeps everything tight at the back. Then just maybe we will challenge again. We've already dropped 7 points and went out far too easily in the cup, and the start of this season has been a similar unprepared shambles in that we were minus the CB and someone of danny wards ilk on the left and the team formation/selections
/tactics.(and perhaps minus a striker even)
Theres always one team that falls away after making the play offs previously, and Im sorry to say I think it could be us this season, though its still early days, we have to start winning soon. Again like orient I dont expect brentford to challenge top6, and we'll find out what we're made of when we play the likes of southampton, huddersfield, peterboro, charlton and the other form teams this season. We are dropping points or losing against sides who in my opinion are not particularly great, so thats a bits concerning.(at home we should be making it a fortress - its not)

Speaking of strikers, I see the "often talked about through the summer" Le Fondre scored FOUR today with some good finishing.
Why oh why are we not playing Ferry ?. I think we should drop Rose and Prutton, and give the Captains role to Lucas so JD can get on with his normal game and find the form that made him so invincible last season, WE know these guys can deliver, but not to the system being employed at the moment. I see no point in having all this personel in mid field if we don't employ a system to use them effiecently.

Shame the season has started poorly again. Every time the Club is in a position to attract new fans it messes up. The Playoff final and the first match against Brighton are two prime examples. Maybe the experts are correct and this team is not as great as we've been led to believe. Perhaps mid-table is the best we can hope for this season. The build up to this season was huge but now we are three games in, winless and leaking goals. Football is a results business, especially at home and on current home form it seems only the diehard fans will bother to turn up. A season so full of expectation has seen three home matches now attract an average of around 7000 fans. Is that the progress that Mr Fitton was looking for?

vikingred wrote:
Shame the season has started poorly again. Every time the Club is in a position to attract new fans it messes up. The Playoff final and the first match against Brighton are two prime examples. Maybe the experts are correct and this team is not as great as we've been led to believe. Perhaps mid-table is the best we can hope for this season. The build up to this season was huge but now we are three games in, winless and leaking goals. Football is a results business, especially at home and on current home form it seems only the diehard fans will bother to turn up. A season so full of expectation has seen three home matches now attract an average of around 7000 fans. Is that the progress that Mr Fitton was looking for?

Of course that`s not the "progress" that Mr.Fitton was looking for ! The rest of your posting was a very reasonable summary i.m.o. However the need for patience seems to continue !

OK so here goes:
Lucas - Rubbish, how did he get beaten from such a tight angle
Rose - What a waste of time! Get
Kennedy in (although he gets injured all the time)
Morrison - Prima Donna centre back who runs around like a headless chicken when the pressure comes on
Cuthbert - Couldn't keep a straight line if you gave him a ruler and lets mmore players through than the New Severn Bridge does cars
Caddis - Loses his compass and sense of direction when the opposition get the ball, also too slow and crosses are too easy for the opposition defence to cut out
McGovern - Getting too old, too slow, cuts inside too often and poor cross to goal ratio
Douglas - Couldn't captain a school boy team and never gets a pass into the danger area - pressure has got too him
Prutton - Pratton more like, even his goal yesterday was a mistake...wasn't supposed to be in that position but got lucky for once!
O'Brien 6 - What a waste of space runs like Forrest Gump and forgets to look up would still be running into Wales if it wasn't for the Town End keep turning him round and Ball - Ball BOY at Man City I think they must be laughing their socks off
Austin 6 - One season wonder and has missed more chances than I've had hot dinners's. Thinks he's made it now and it shows, time to get back to laying a damp course - at least he'll be useful for building the new stadium eh!?
Dossevi 6 - Doss-er-zut-alors! What a French P-o-n-c-e good job he was on a free, we can afford the Channel Ferry fare back, Pericard - Barn door Peri-Peri at least Heskey was useful...
...while we're at it - Sack DW and ask AF to stand down NOW!!!...absolutely clueless!!!! What a waste of a season ticket...bound to be bottom 4 this and next season...might as well go and support Chippenham!!!
;-)

SAPFanSTFC wrote:
OK so here goes: Lucas - Rubbish, how did he get beaten from such a tight angle Rose - What a waste of time! Get Kennedy in (although he gets injured all the time) Morrison - Prima Donna centre back who runs around like a headless chicken when the pressure comes on Cuthbert - Couldn't keep a straight line if you gave him a ruler and lets mmore players through than the New Severn Bridge does cars Caddis - Loses his compass and sense of direction when the opposition get the ball, also too slow and crosses are too easy for the opposition defence to cut out McGovern - Getting too old, too slow, cuts inside too often and poor cross to goal ratio Douglas - Couldn't captain a school boy team and never gets a pass into the danger area - pressure has got too him Prutton - Pratton more like, even his goal yesterday was a mistake...wasn't supposed to be in that position but got lucky for once! O'Brien 6 - What a waste of space runs like Forrest Gump and forgets to look up would still be running into Wales if it wasn't for the Town End keep turning him round and Ball - Ball BOY at Man City I think they must be laughing their socks off Austin 6 - One season wonder and has missed more chances than I've had hot dinners's. Thinks he's made it now and it shows, time to get back to laying a damp course - at least he'll be useful for building the new stadium eh!? Dossevi 6 - Doss-er-zut-alors! What a French P-o-n-c-e good job he was on a free, we can afford the Channel Ferry fare back, Pericard - Barn door Peri-Peri at least Heskey was useful... ...while we're at it - Sack DW and ask AF to stand down NOW!!!...absolutely clueless!!!! What a waste of a season ticket...bound to be bottom 4 this and next season...might as well go and support Chippenham!!! ;-)

Do you think Ferry is any good ?

Keep the bench nice and warm for the post match BBC interview I guess!?

SAPFanSTFC wrote:
Keep the bench nice and warm for the post match BBC interview I guess!?

What team do you support ?

A scathing summary delivered by SAPFanSTFC, but let's thank God that we got a draw and didn't get beaten yesterday.
A lot of detailed criticism on the forum to-day, and I share everyone's disappointment so far this season, but somehow I think that we have got a very strong squad this time around, and I believe that we will quickly climb the League Table.
Finally what a superb display by Big Sean Morrison, just imagine how good he will become, if he get's a good run in the side.

Yesterday ... not the best performance, but a big improvement over the Brighton Game, prutton started to get stuck in and JD had a better game, Dossi looks like a good player, and to be fair Perricard looked a handfull yesterday and held the ball up well, we actually looked comfortable going forward when he came on, he gave their defence more to worry about which created a biut of space for Charlie.

Encouraging signs Morrison was outstanding yesterday, Kennedy also looked good, Obrien, not even going to comment on him....

umpcah perfect summery of this squad af has done a good job with the club we must not forget that, this is a team that will struggle all season same results after 10 games and that will prove it watch this space.

I have just gone back and read several days comments on here, and boy that is a LOT of reading. Since the begining of the season, we have all been guilty of anticipation, optomism, frustration, and dissapointment, more or less in that order. One thing that does shine through from most(sadly not all) is the fact that we continue to care and only want the best. We all have our ways of expressing that. One thing we cannot escape is that this team set up as it is, is simply not working. if we had a line of 6 managers sat up in the stands with us, they would all have a different take on how to solve our problems, probably. That said we are still struggling to get this team of Wilsons men, as he has brought the vast majority in, to function with some degree of purpose. Since March/April last year and moving away from the short passing game that brought us so much success we have continued to struggle and find any sort of form. Our jewel in the crown Douglas is a shadow of his former self, and his game has all but disentegrated around him. Prutton who scored yesterday, is not playing as well for us as we have seen him play against us. J-PM is having a quiet speell and not as involved as normal. These are just instances or examples of what is happening throughout the team, so what are they doing on the training ground ? and what is Wilson setting them out to do during the match. These guys are seasoned pro's and as such just don't loose it overnight, but they look bewildered and here we are at the start of the season. I think that the fault lays in the dug out and not with the team, only with the persons selected and what they are asked to do, too many cooks are spoiling the broth, and its up to head chef Wilson to sort it out. Fitton has bought the players he wanted, but the balance has all but disapeared.

Good post Wizard. The "too many cooks" analogy is sadly all too true. Apart from filling the obvious gap left by Ward there was no need to tinker with the midfield, as Douglas, Ferry and McGovern were all outstanding for most of last season. I am sure the players are all giving 100% but there has been a lack of cohesion and belief since the spring. One phrase I used a lot last season, when trying to encourage friends to watch the Town, was how much the players all seemed to be playing for each other. I could not say that with any conviction now, although admittedly there were signs of that spirit returning towards the end of the game yesterday. Millwall and Brighton may not be our best friends, but we couldn't half do with some of the resilience they showed against us.

Agreed Den, we look washed out already, and if we come up against some of the in form teams at the moment I fear the outcome. We are just not cohesive anymore, the heads are down, and not looking up before the ball is passed, its "as if something has happened in the dressing room", everybody seems "on edge" and afraid of something, very nervous. Its almost as if "something is afoot".
I am very grateful Dossevi came here and Vinnie is begining to be a threat, and O'Brien is trying very hard, but all that must be difficult with the rest of the team wandering around the pitch in a aimless, clueless manner.
Everybody seems to have the thought of Prutton and Douglas at Leeds playing together, BUT, how good was that partnership at Leeds, did it take the club forwards or not ??

Having seen both home games, we have major problems on our hands. Have said it enough times, but Paynter, Ward, Greer and Sheehan have been replaced with inferior players.

The most obvious thing to me is that Douglas and Prutton cannot play in the same team. DW afterwards said afterwards that Prutton has "a good engine' but it was either switched off or seized these two home games. Ferry has to come in for Prutton.

The midfield just lacks pace and movement. JPM had a poor game and when he does, he looks very slow. O'Brien is a one-trick pony and it very rarely comes off but he does little else.

Defence - don't know what to say really. All of our players at the end of last season were better than the current ones. Neither Cuthbert or Morrison are leaders. Cuthbert mucked up an attempted offside trap again (the same as which led to Brighton's second goal). If anything, Morrison was doing more cajoling and talking, especially in the first half.

Dossevi showed to me why he hasn't scored many goals in his career. When Austin broke through on the left, he just turned and ran way off to the right and the far post area. Prutton ran into the six yard box. There are only two positions for support players to take up there - in the six-yard box for the slide across, and on the penalty spot for the cut-back. He was in neither, out of the play altogether. Ball looked bright when he came on. Pericard simply showed why he will never score, especially blazing wide at the end.

If we are going to persist with Douglas and Prutton, then we need to get more attacking players in the other four forward positions.

My team, certainly for home games, is:

Lucas
Amankwaah
Morrison
Cuthbert
Rose
Caddis
Douglas
Ferry
Ball
Austin
Striker to be signed in the window (Dossevi until then)

Highworth red wrote:

mikek wrote:

whitety wrote: good old pericard barn door you could not give him away more points lost . security word fail -club how true.

There were 7 or 8 players out there sunshine making a complete arse of an easy game to be honest so do you hate Pericard that much that its all his fault. Poor displays from most of the team including Austin who looks totally unfit and a few chances were missed by our team long before Pericard came on. Pericard in fact did very well and held the ball up which no one else was doing up until then. Get real will you.

Agree, we did lift our game when Pericard came on, although I still can't get my head around why Dossevi came off (was he injured???). Overall though, should have been a comfortable win for Brentford.

dossevi came off because , he was our best player again as in the brighton game
as for pericrap he was told to be greedy well he should stay in mcdonalds and eaten another 20 cheese burgers.he shot miles wide when he only had to roll it to prutton who was unmarked by miles for the winner
and please please tell me why people clapped that utter trash off? they must have thought they played well, no wonder he picks the same side

Is Prutton related to Shaun Close? They're obviously from the same mould (the utterly useless one).
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I really fail to see what any Town fan can see in him. He might have been an ok player in the past, but he'd struggle to make the bench for Supermarine nowadays!
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Also, Rose a footballer - do me a favour. He wouldn't make the bench for the Greyhound!
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Restore 'big Kev' to right back, put Caddis in midfield with Ferry And Kennedy at left back.

Even if Pericard had a good game fact is he has never scored a goal for us and for someone who is supposed to be a striker it's a bloody joke!

All true , we are'nt so much getting beat as simply giving the games away , I remember the errors at start of last season then Shirtliff came along and all that back head nonsense was gone , just boot it in row H anything but that . Althoughh they are all good players in their own right and I do believe that , it seems collectively they are just a bunch of clones all playing in same place for same scraps of the ball , its not a team there isn't enough variation through the squad , two weeks on the road now and it needs sorting

If Kennedy had started instead of Rose it would have been 1-0.

Anyone who saw the game has to agree with that and no one would be talking like there was some kind of crisis in the team because we would have had our first win.

Our Mid field is just not clicking.JPMlooks slow and is not covering like last season,He needs to be rested wih Caddis pushed forward,
Big Kev in at right back and Simon Ferry playing on the left sie of the pitch
for Obrian in a Nicky Bailey type position/role where he can use his pace going forward and his tackling when needed in defence.