Stephens says Swindon would be the first place he’d want to go if he is sent out on loan again next season

Town loanee Jack Stephens

Town loanee Jack Stephens

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JACK Stephens says that he would relish the opportunity to return to Swindon Town.

The 20-year-old centre-back is on-loan at the County Ground until the end of the season from Premier League side Southampton.

The youngster has strung together a number of impressive performances for Mark Cooper’s side since his arrival last month.

And while he is tied to the Saints until 2017, Stephens says he is enjoying playing week in, week out.

“It has taught me loads of things, it is a massive experience and it has taught me something every day,” he said.

“ Just being involved with the first team every single day with a match on a Saturday is a great experience.

“It is what I want to be doing, I want to be playing every Saturday, whether it is in the Premiership or League One.

“The players here have helped me fit straight in, it is great.”

Stephens has only featured once for the St Mary’s side, coming off the bench in an FA Cup tie at Coventry City in 2012, but since arriving in Swindon last month he has featured in all six matches.

With the desire to playing regular first team football, should Southampton look for Stephens to gain more experience this is the place he wants to be.

“If the option of going out on loan happens then this is the first place I’d like to come,” he said.

“(I could envisage myself coming back next season) definitely, I have said this before, but it is not up to me.

“I have had nothing but good words to say about this place ever since I have been here.

“The gaffer, the assistant, all the staff, all the players and everyone at the ground have been brilliant and I have let everyone know that I’m really happy here.

“There is lot more pressure, the fans they make a lot of noise, they expect performances and results, but it is great to play every week.”

But like Stephen admits it may not be down the defender to return to the County Ground should the Saints look for him to gain more experience.

Having already impressed in League One, Southampton could look for the England Under 19 international to make the step up to a higher level, while Cooper is yet to discover his budget for next term.

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6:58am Tue 15 Apr 14

subbuteoles says...

If we want to progress from this season then yes, would be great if we could have Jack Stephens on board. An excellent young talented player as we have all seen. Sign him on!.
If we want to progress from this season then yes, would be great if we could have Jack Stephens on board. An excellent young talented player as we have all seen. Sign him on!. subbuteoles
  • Score: 11

7:11am Tue 15 Apr 14

We are PANTS says...

Yes please... The team looks far more comfortable with Jack in the team and the results simply speak for themselves!!
Yes please... The team looks far more comfortable with Jack in the team and the results simply speak for themselves!! We are PANTS
  • Score: 8

7:25am Tue 15 Apr 14

mancrobin says...

Stephens and especially TAH seemed to have solved our centre back dilemma with Brano developing well. Yes, let's hope we can build on that for next season.
Stephens and especially TAH seemed to have solved our centre back dilemma with Brano developing well. Yes, let's hope we can build on that for next season. mancrobin
  • Score: 4

8:00am Tue 15 Apr 14

umpcah says...

subbuteoles wrote:
If we want to progress from this season then yes, would be great if we could have Jack Stephens on board. An excellent young talented player as we have all seen. Sign him on!.
I expect Coops wishes he could ! If STFC could get into a position to announce that Stephens and Ranger will definitely be in the squad next season sales of season tickets would be stimulated.
[quote][p][bold]subbuteoles[/bold] wrote: If we want to progress from this season then yes, would be great if we could have Jack Stephens on board. An excellent young talented player as we have all seen. Sign him on!.[/p][/quote]I expect Coops wishes he could ! If STFC could get into a position to announce that Stephens and Ranger will definitely be in the squad next season sales of season tickets would be stimulated. umpcah
  • Score: 16

8:11am Tue 15 Apr 14

smirg kcab says...

umpcah wrote:
subbuteoles wrote:
If we want to progress from this season then yes, would be great if we could have Jack Stephens on board. An excellent young talented player as we have all seen. Sign him on!.
I expect Coops wishes he could ! If STFC could get into a position to announce that Stephens and Ranger will definitely be in the squad next season sales of season tickets would be stimulated.
Agree two fantastic players along with Troy and Wes which will be the main backbone of a great team.
Don't forget tho jack your dropped Saturday but will be penned in as the first name for Friday.
Coymr
[quote][p][bold]umpcah[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]subbuteoles[/bold] wrote: If we want to progress from this season then yes, would be great if we could have Jack Stephens on board. An excellent young talented player as we have all seen. Sign him on!.[/p][/quote]I expect Coops wishes he could ! If STFC could get into a position to announce that Stephens and Ranger will definitely be in the squad next season sales of season tickets would be stimulated.[/p][/quote]Agree two fantastic players along with Troy and Wes which will be the main backbone of a great team. Don't forget tho jack your dropped Saturday but will be penned in as the first name for Friday. Coymr smirg kcab
  • Score: 5

8:14am Tue 15 Apr 14

London Red says...

I said yesterday that I to ought he would come back and that Saints would be the new "Spurs"
.
They have quite a few interesting prospects who could be good to see here next term - notably Reed, McQueen and Seager
.
HARRISON REED
D.O.B: 27/01/1995
Position: Central midfielder
.
A tenacious and hard working midfielder who also boasts a great range of passing. At five-foot-six he may be small in stature, but his ability on the ball makes him a valuable addition to any side.
.
Those attributes combined with his ginger hair draws obvious comparisons to former Manchester United and England midfielder Paul Scholes.
.
Reed stepped into the Under-21s squad during the latter half of the 2012/13 season, scoring a superb goal on his first Barclays U21 Premier League appearance. The youngster's tireless performances in the U21s side saw him selected as part of a trio who made their First Team bows against Barnsley in the Capital One Cup, with his first start following in the same competition when Saints travelled to Sunderland in Round Four.
.
His good form earned Reed a first ever call-up into an England squad during February 2014 when he made it into the Under-19s, playing alongside fellow Saints Calum Chambers, Sam Gallagher and Matt Targett.
.
CORBY MOORE
D.O.B: 21/11/1993
Position: Central midfielder
.
A stylish midfielder with an eye for goal, Corby's ability on the ball and awareness make him well suited to a central berth. His dedication to playing in the Academy since the age of eight has seen him progressed into the Under-21 squad.
.
JOE CURTIS
D.O.B: 04/02/1994
Position: Central midfielder
.
Curtis is an attacking midfielder who can link up play in the final third. Although he has a creative eye, Joe is just as much of a goal threat himself as well as being able to lay on chances for others.
.
ANDY ROBINSON
D.O.B: 16/10/1992
Position: Central midfielder
.
Robinson made his full senior debut as a substitute for Jack Cork in a Capital One Cup win over Sheffield Wednesday in September 2012.
.
A former captain of the Under-18s and a strong presence in the heart of midfield, Andy is not afraid of a challenge. 'Robbo' is also equipped with a stylish variety of passing, and brings tenacity and class to the centre of the park.
.
SAM McQUEEN
D.O.B: 06/02/1995
Position: Winger
.
McQueen is a cultured left winger who has progressed through the ranks at Saints since he was eight years old.
.
Sam hails from Southampton and signed a longer-term youth contract in November 2011. McQueen enjoyed a goal laden pre-season for the Under-21 side at the start of the 2012/13 campaign but injuries have restricted his progress to-date.
.
He marked his long-awaited comeback with a call into the First Team squad for the FA Cup game at Sunderland in February 2014 where he replaced Adam Lallana for the final quarter of an hour of the Fifth Round tie.
.
OMAR ROWE
D.O.B: 30/10/1994
Position: Winger
.
A compact and tidy winger who joined the Club at Under-16 level, Omar has the pace and ability to take players on and excite fans.
.
Rowe previously played for West Ham and, although born in England, can also represent Jamaica through his family.
.
During the second half of the 2012/13 season he has become a regular for the Under-21s and has impressed on the flanks. Rowe made such an impact at that level it has since prompted a call-up to the First Team for a debut against Barnsley in the Capital One Cup, followed by another taste of senior action in the next round for the win over Bristol City.
.
JAMAL BRANKER
D.O.B: 25/01/1995
Position: Winger
.
Branker is a clever winger who joined the Club at under-ten level helped by once scoring nine goals in a game against his hometown club Reading.
.
The popular and effervescent frontman is a good passer of the ball with an eye for finding space in wide positions.
.
LLOYD ISGROVE
D.O.B: 12/01/1993
Position: Winger
.
Lloyd is an attack-minded player who boasts trickery and a quick turn of pace which makes him a real handful for opponents.
.
He made his senior debut for Saints as a substitute in a Capital One Cup game at Leeds United in October 2012. Having been picked to join the First Team's pre-season training camp in Spain and Austria, he signed a one-year contract extension and went on to score in a 3-1 win over Turkish side Besiktas in a friendly.
.
JAKE SINCLAIR
D.O.B: 29/11/1994
Position: Striker
.
A quick and prolific forward who was scouted by the Saints Academy at the age of eight. A regular for the Under-21s during the 2012/13 campaign, scoring a number of goals having been a virtual ever-present. Sinclair's goal haul ensured that he was handed the opportunity to represent the First Team in a comfortable 5-1 away victory over Barnsley in the Capital One Cup.
.
RYAN SEAGER
D.O.B: 05/02/1996
Position: Striker
.
A striker who scores goals for fun, 'Rafa' has a useful habit of poaching efforts inside the box – something he showed as a schoolboy at Saints with a goal for the Under-18s against Arsenal.
.
Seager shone in his first full season at Under-18 level in fine form, notching 20 goals for Jason Dodd's side and making a number of substitute appearances for the Under-21s.
.
Profiles from http://www.saintsfc.
co.uk/team/developme
ntsquad/
I said yesterday that I to ought he would come back and that Saints would be the new "Spurs" . They have quite a few interesting prospects who could be good to see here next term - notably Reed, McQueen and Seager . HARRISON REED D.O.B: 27/01/1995 Position: Central midfielder . A tenacious and hard working midfielder who also boasts a great range of passing. At five-foot-six he may be small in stature, but his ability on the ball makes him a valuable addition to any side. . Those attributes combined with his ginger hair draws obvious comparisons to former Manchester United and England midfielder Paul Scholes. . Reed stepped into the Under-21s squad during the latter half of the 2012/13 season, scoring a superb goal on his first Barclays U21 Premier League appearance. The youngster's tireless performances in the U21s side saw him selected as part of a trio who made their First Team bows against Barnsley in the Capital One Cup, with his first start following in the same competition when Saints travelled to Sunderland in Round Four. . His good form earned Reed a first ever call-up into an England squad during February 2014 when he made it into the Under-19s, playing alongside fellow Saints Calum Chambers, Sam Gallagher and Matt Targett. . CORBY MOORE D.O.B: 21/11/1993 Position: Central midfielder . A stylish midfielder with an eye for goal, Corby's ability on the ball and awareness make him well suited to a central berth. His dedication to playing in the Academy since the age of eight has seen him progressed into the Under-21 squad. . JOE CURTIS D.O.B: 04/02/1994 Position: Central midfielder . Curtis is an attacking midfielder who can link up play in the final third. Although he has a creative eye, Joe is just as much of a goal threat himself as well as being able to lay on chances for others. . ANDY ROBINSON D.O.B: 16/10/1992 Position: Central midfielder . Robinson made his full senior debut as a substitute for Jack Cork in a Capital One Cup win over Sheffield Wednesday in September 2012. . A former captain of the Under-18s and a strong presence in the heart of midfield, Andy is not afraid of a challenge. 'Robbo' is also equipped with a stylish variety of passing, and brings tenacity and class to the centre of the park. . SAM McQUEEN D.O.B: 06/02/1995 Position: Winger . McQueen is a cultured left winger who has progressed through the ranks at Saints since he was eight years old. . Sam hails from Southampton and signed a longer-term youth contract in November 2011. McQueen enjoyed a goal laden pre-season for the Under-21 side at the start of the 2012/13 campaign but injuries have restricted his progress to-date. . He marked his long-awaited comeback with a call into the First Team squad for the FA Cup game at Sunderland in February 2014 where he replaced Adam Lallana for the final quarter of an hour of the Fifth Round tie. . OMAR ROWE D.O.B: 30/10/1994 Position: Winger . A compact and tidy winger who joined the Club at Under-16 level, Omar has the pace and ability to take players on and excite fans. . Rowe previously played for West Ham and, although born in England, can also represent Jamaica through his family. . During the second half of the 2012/13 season he has become a regular for the Under-21s and has impressed on the flanks. Rowe made such an impact at that level it has since prompted a call-up to the First Team for a debut against Barnsley in the Capital One Cup, followed by another taste of senior action in the next round for the win over Bristol City. . JAMAL BRANKER D.O.B: 25/01/1995 Position: Winger . Branker is a clever winger who joined the Club at under-ten level helped by once scoring nine goals in a game against his hometown club Reading. . The popular and effervescent frontman is a good passer of the ball with an eye for finding space in wide positions. . LLOYD ISGROVE D.O.B: 12/01/1993 Position: Winger . Lloyd is an attack-minded player who boasts trickery and a quick turn of pace which makes him a real handful for opponents. . He made his senior debut for Saints as a substitute in a Capital One Cup game at Leeds United in October 2012. Having been picked to join the First Team's pre-season training camp in Spain and Austria, he signed a one-year contract extension and went on to score in a 3-1 win over Turkish side Besiktas in a friendly. . JAKE SINCLAIR D.O.B: 29/11/1994 Position: Striker . A quick and prolific forward who was scouted by the Saints Academy at the age of eight. A regular for the Under-21s during the 2012/13 campaign, scoring a number of goals having been a virtual ever-present. Sinclair's goal haul ensured that he was handed the opportunity to represent the First Team in a comfortable 5-1 away victory over Barnsley in the Capital One Cup. . RYAN SEAGER D.O.B: 05/02/1996 Position: Striker . A striker who scores goals for fun, 'Rafa' has a useful habit of poaching efforts inside the box – something he showed as a schoolboy at Saints with a goal for the Under-18s against Arsenal. . Seager shone in his first full season at Under-18 level in fine form, notching 20 goals for Jason Dodd's side and making a number of substitute appearances for the Under-21s. . Profiles from http://www.saintsfc. co.uk/team/developme ntsquad/ London Red
  • Score: 4

8:18am Tue 15 Apr 14

LeGod says...

Stephens is going to be a top quality defender he has pace, good positioning sense and is so cool under pressure and great distribution for a player of his age and if we can get him here again next season it will be a major boost for us as adding him into the back line has make us look so much more solid alongside Troy as a defensive unit and something we have massively been missing all season.
Lets hope Saints will let him out to us next season so he can gain more league experience and will also benefit us.
Top defender.
Stephens is going to be a top quality defender he has pace, good positioning sense and is so cool under pressure and great distribution for a player of his age and if we can get him here again next season it will be a major boost for us as adding him into the back line has make us look so much more solid alongside Troy as a defensive unit and something we have massively been missing all season. Lets hope Saints will let him out to us next season so he can gain more league experience and will also benefit us. Top defender. LeGod
  • Score: 5

8:32am Tue 15 Apr 14

Oi Den! says...

He's said some nice things about us and I've no doubt he means them. However, if he and Southampton get an offer from a higher level, surely that's where he would go. Fingers crossed that it really is "Comeback Jack" and not a case of him hitting the road and not coming back no more, no more, no more...
He's said some nice things about us and I've no doubt he means them. However, if he and Southampton get an offer from a higher level, surely that's where he would go. Fingers crossed that it really is "Comeback Jack" and not a case of him hitting the road and not coming back no more, no more, no more... Oi Den!
  • Score: 5

9:01am Tue 15 Apr 14

old town robin says...

Oi Den! wrote:
He's said some nice things about us and I've no doubt he means them. However, if he and Southampton get an offer from a higher level, surely that's where he would go. Fingers crossed that it really is "Comeback Jack" and not a case of him hitting the road and not coming back no more, no more, no more...
You could be right Den that Saints may prefer him to play for a championship side, but our close proximity to them geographically would IMO be a plus factor, as would the style of play we have adopted which at times has been seen to be closer to that of a Championship side than division 1.

Hope he returns and as LR posted, with the number of 20 to 21 year old's they have coming through their academy that are not yet ready to cement a first team place, they could be the club we will work with next season. I wouldn't write off working with Spurs either, but that could depend on the future of Tim Sherwood, whose position as their first team coach is in doubt.
[quote][p][bold]Oi Den![/bold] wrote: He's said some nice things about us and I've no doubt he means them. However, if he and Southampton get an offer from a higher level, surely that's where he would go. Fingers crossed that it really is "Comeback Jack" and not a case of him hitting the road and not coming back no more, no more, no more...[/p][/quote]You could be right Den that Saints may prefer him to play for a championship side, but our close proximity to them geographically would IMO be a plus factor, as would the style of play we have adopted which at times has been seen to be closer to that of a Championship side than division 1. Hope he returns and as LR posted, with the number of 20 to 21 year old's they have coming through their academy that are not yet ready to cement a first team place, they could be the club we will work with next season. I wouldn't write off working with Spurs either, but that could depend on the future of Tim Sherwood, whose position as their first team coach is in doubt. old town robin
  • Score: 0

9:02am Tue 15 Apr 14

Is that you Lovesey says...

Just get him back, arrange it now, if we dally someone else will snap him up on a loan, get your fingers out NOW
Just get him back, arrange it now, if we dally someone else will snap him up on a loan, get your fingers out NOW Is that you Lovesey
  • Score: -6

9:38am Tue 15 Apr 14

LionelHutz says...

It's no coincidence our upturn in form started with Stephens' arrival. If this is a goer, we should be doing everything we can to ensure it happens!
It's no coincidence our upturn in form started with Stephens' arrival. If this is a goer, we should be doing everything we can to ensure it happens! LionelHutz
  • Score: 6

9:55am Tue 15 Apr 14

Cleuso says...

Old news....this was all said during the after match interview with him and already broadcast on Saturday.
Old news....this was all said during the after match interview with him and already broadcast on Saturday. Cleuso
  • Score: -4

10:09am Tue 15 Apr 14

Wilesy says...

Definitely want Stephens back but it's not him alone that has shored up our defence.

Troy and Stephens appear a far better combination than Ward and Hall, mainly due to more pace and strength.

Troy playing fantastically and is the no-nonsense centre back we didn't have up to January.

Jay having his best form of the season.

Nathan maybe not on top form but playing well and relishing the captains armband.

Wes back at his best and has improved with the pressure on his position from Belford.

Less pressure on the defence through defending as a team through the hard work of Smith and Storey up front and the midfield too.

Less pressure on the defence through less tippy tappy and the definite shift to passing the ball forward quicker.

Would be very happy if Saints are the 'new Spurs' for loans, but wouldn't rule out Norwich either, Power has history there of course and we got Murphy from them few months ago.

Will be interesting to see what happens with Sherwood in the coming months - if he stays will he still have influence on the loaning of Spurs youngsters, might he get the sack but return to his previous position at Spurs, or might he get the sack and end up at another club. Either way he's obviously a big mate of Power so keeping tabs on that.
Definitely want Stephens back but it's not him alone that has shored up our defence. Troy and Stephens appear a far better combination than Ward and Hall, mainly due to more pace and strength. Troy playing fantastically and is the no-nonsense centre back we didn't have up to January. Jay having his best form of the season. Nathan maybe not on top form but playing well and relishing the captains armband. Wes back at his best and has improved with the pressure on his position from Belford. Less pressure on the defence through defending as a team through the hard work of Smith and Storey up front and the midfield too. Less pressure on the defence through less tippy tappy and the definite shift to passing the ball forward quicker. Would be very happy if Saints are the 'new Spurs' for loans, but wouldn't rule out Norwich either, Power has history there of course and we got Murphy from them few months ago. Will be interesting to see what happens with Sherwood in the coming months - if he stays will he still have influence on the loaning of Spurs youngsters, might he get the sack but return to his previous position at Spurs, or might he get the sack and end up at another club. Either way he's obviously a big mate of Power so keeping tabs on that. Wilesy
  • Score: 2

10:40am Tue 15 Apr 14

umpcah says...

Less pressure on the defence through defending as a team through the hard work of Smith and Storey up front and the midfield too. Smith reminds me of the workhorse called Roger Smart in the 60s ! If he can learn ball control he will be fine next season i.m.o.
Less pressure on the defence through defending as a team through the hard work of Smith and Storey up front and the midfield too. Smith reminds me of the workhorse called Roger Smart in the 60s ! If he can learn ball control he will be fine next season i.m.o. umpcah
  • Score: 5

11:08am Tue 15 Apr 14

Stilloyal says...

subbuteoles wrote:
If we want to progress from this season then yes, would be great if we could have Jack Stephens on board. An excellent young talented player as we have all seen. Sign him on!.
Its very clear and obvious that our defending has improved 100% since Jack & Archie have been paired in the team, long may they be there.
See you Monday Les
[quote][p][bold]subbuteoles[/bold] wrote: If we want to progress from this season then yes, would be great if we could have Jack Stephens on board. An excellent young talented player as we have all seen. Sign him on!.[/p][/quote]Its very clear and obvious that our defending has improved 100% since Jack & Archie have been paired in the team, long may they be there. See you Monday Les Stilloyal
  • Score: 2

11:27am Tue 15 Apr 14

the wizard says...

London Red wrote:
I said yesterday that I to ought he would come back and that Saints would be the new "Spurs"
.
They have quite a few interesting prospects who could be good to see here next term - notably Reed, McQueen and Seager
.
HARRISON REED
D.O.B: 27/01/1995
Position: Central midfielder
.
A tenacious and hard working midfielder who also boasts a great range of passing. At five-foot-six he may be small in stature, but his ability on the ball makes him a valuable addition to any side.
.
Those attributes combined with his ginger hair draws obvious comparisons to former Manchester United and England midfielder Paul Scholes.
.
Reed stepped into the Under-21s squad during the latter half of the 2012/13 season, scoring a superb goal on his first Barclays U21 Premier League appearance. The youngster's tireless performances in the U21s side saw him selected as part of a trio who made their First Team bows against Barnsley in the Capital One Cup, with his first start following in the same competition when Saints travelled to Sunderland in Round Four.
.
His good form earned Reed a first ever call-up into an England squad during February 2014 when he made it into the Under-19s, playing alongside fellow Saints Calum Chambers, Sam Gallagher and Matt Targett.
.
CORBY MOORE
D.O.B: 21/11/1993
Position: Central midfielder
.
A stylish midfielder with an eye for goal, Corby's ability on the ball and awareness make him well suited to a central berth. His dedication to playing in the Academy since the age of eight has seen him progressed into the Under-21 squad.
.
JOE CURTIS
D.O.B: 04/02/1994
Position: Central midfielder
.
Curtis is an attacking midfielder who can link up play in the final third. Although he has a creative eye, Joe is just as much of a goal threat himself as well as being able to lay on chances for others.
.
ANDY ROBINSON
D.O.B: 16/10/1992
Position: Central midfielder
.
Robinson made his full senior debut as a substitute for Jack Cork in a Capital One Cup win over Sheffield Wednesday in September 2012.
.
A former captain of the Under-18s and a strong presence in the heart of midfield, Andy is not afraid of a challenge. 'Robbo' is also equipped with a stylish variety of passing, and brings tenacity and class to the centre of the park.
.
SAM McQUEEN
D.O.B: 06/02/1995
Position: Winger
.
McQueen is a cultured left winger who has progressed through the ranks at Saints since he was eight years old.
.
Sam hails from Southampton and signed a longer-term youth contract in November 2011. McQueen enjoyed a goal laden pre-season for the Under-21 side at the start of the 2012/13 campaign but injuries have restricted his progress to-date.
.
He marked his long-awaited comeback with a call into the First Team squad for the FA Cup game at Sunderland in February 2014 where he replaced Adam Lallana for the final quarter of an hour of the Fifth Round tie.
.
OMAR ROWE
D.O.B: 30/10/1994
Position: Winger
.
A compact and tidy winger who joined the Club at Under-16 level, Omar has the pace and ability to take players on and excite fans.
.
Rowe previously played for West Ham and, although born in England, can also represent Jamaica through his family.
.
During the second half of the 2012/13 season he has become a regular for the Under-21s and has impressed on the flanks. Rowe made such an impact at that level it has since prompted a call-up to the First Team for a debut against Barnsley in the Capital One Cup, followed by another taste of senior action in the next round for the win over Bristol City.
.
JAMAL BRANKER
D.O.B: 25/01/1995
Position: Winger
.
Branker is a clever winger who joined the Club at under-ten level helped by once scoring nine goals in a game against his hometown club Reading.
.
The popular and effervescent frontman is a good passer of the ball with an eye for finding space in wide positions.
.
LLOYD ISGROVE
D.O.B: 12/01/1993
Position: Winger
.
Lloyd is an attack-minded player who boasts trickery and a quick turn of pace which makes him a real handful for opponents.
.
He made his senior debut for Saints as a substitute in a Capital One Cup game at Leeds United in October 2012. Having been picked to join the First Team's pre-season training camp in Spain and Austria, he signed a one-year contract extension and went on to score in a 3-1 win over Turkish side Besiktas in a friendly.
.
JAKE SINCLAIR
D.O.B: 29/11/1994
Position: Striker
.
A quick and prolific forward who was scouted by the Saints Academy at the age of eight. A regular for the Under-21s during the 2012/13 campaign, scoring a number of goals having been a virtual ever-present. Sinclair's goal haul ensured that he was handed the opportunity to represent the First Team in a comfortable 5-1 away victory over Barnsley in the Capital One Cup.
.
RYAN SEAGER
D.O.B: 05/02/1996
Position: Striker
.
A striker who scores goals for fun, 'Rafa' has a useful habit of poaching efforts inside the box – something he showed as a schoolboy at Saints with a goal for the Under-18s against Arsenal.
.
Seager shone in his first full season at Under-18 level in fine form, notching 20 goals for Jason Dodd's side and making a number of substitute appearances for the Under-21s.
.
Profiles from http://www.saintsfc.

co.uk/team/developme

ntsquad/
LOL , LR has his shopping list and fair enough, but I still think too many changes spoil the broth up to a point. Loans are fine but, I still think there is nothing better than your own players. I feel that in some instances the loan system is abused. Yes I know we are not minted with cash, but we do have a decent core of our own players and would much rather see these guys developed and brought on. Challenging for promotion next season is all well and good, but is it going to be STFC players that get us there or a mixed side with maybe guys from Spurs and loans from Saints, Saint Swindon FC ?. I think we need to be cautious, that's all.
[quote][p][bold]London Red[/bold] wrote: I said yesterday that I to ought he would come back and that Saints would be the new "Spurs" . They have quite a few interesting prospects who could be good to see here next term - notably Reed, McQueen and Seager . HARRISON REED D.O.B: 27/01/1995 Position: Central midfielder . A tenacious and hard working midfielder who also boasts a great range of passing. At five-foot-six he may be small in stature, but his ability on the ball makes him a valuable addition to any side. . Those attributes combined with his ginger hair draws obvious comparisons to former Manchester United and England midfielder Paul Scholes. . Reed stepped into the Under-21s squad during the latter half of the 2012/13 season, scoring a superb goal on his first Barclays U21 Premier League appearance. The youngster's tireless performances in the U21s side saw him selected as part of a trio who made their First Team bows against Barnsley in the Capital One Cup, with his first start following in the same competition when Saints travelled to Sunderland in Round Four. . His good form earned Reed a first ever call-up into an England squad during February 2014 when he made it into the Under-19s, playing alongside fellow Saints Calum Chambers, Sam Gallagher and Matt Targett. . CORBY MOORE D.O.B: 21/11/1993 Position: Central midfielder . A stylish midfielder with an eye for goal, Corby's ability on the ball and awareness make him well suited to a central berth. His dedication to playing in the Academy since the age of eight has seen him progressed into the Under-21 squad. . JOE CURTIS D.O.B: 04/02/1994 Position: Central midfielder . Curtis is an attacking midfielder who can link up play in the final third. Although he has a creative eye, Joe is just as much of a goal threat himself as well as being able to lay on chances for others. . ANDY ROBINSON D.O.B: 16/10/1992 Position: Central midfielder . Robinson made his full senior debut as a substitute for Jack Cork in a Capital One Cup win over Sheffield Wednesday in September 2012. . A former captain of the Under-18s and a strong presence in the heart of midfield, Andy is not afraid of a challenge. 'Robbo' is also equipped with a stylish variety of passing, and brings tenacity and class to the centre of the park. . SAM McQUEEN D.O.B: 06/02/1995 Position: Winger . McQueen is a cultured left winger who has progressed through the ranks at Saints since he was eight years old. . Sam hails from Southampton and signed a longer-term youth contract in November 2011. McQueen enjoyed a goal laden pre-season for the Under-21 side at the start of the 2012/13 campaign but injuries have restricted his progress to-date. . He marked his long-awaited comeback with a call into the First Team squad for the FA Cup game at Sunderland in February 2014 where he replaced Adam Lallana for the final quarter of an hour of the Fifth Round tie. . OMAR ROWE D.O.B: 30/10/1994 Position: Winger . A compact and tidy winger who joined the Club at Under-16 level, Omar has the pace and ability to take players on and excite fans. . Rowe previously played for West Ham and, although born in England, can also represent Jamaica through his family. . During the second half of the 2012/13 season he has become a regular for the Under-21s and has impressed on the flanks. Rowe made such an impact at that level it has since prompted a call-up to the First Team for a debut against Barnsley in the Capital One Cup, followed by another taste of senior action in the next round for the win over Bristol City. . JAMAL BRANKER D.O.B: 25/01/1995 Position: Winger . Branker is a clever winger who joined the Club at under-ten level helped by once scoring nine goals in a game against his hometown club Reading. . The popular and effervescent frontman is a good passer of the ball with an eye for finding space in wide positions. . LLOYD ISGROVE D.O.B: 12/01/1993 Position: Winger . Lloyd is an attack-minded player who boasts trickery and a quick turn of pace which makes him a real handful for opponents. . He made his senior debut for Saints as a substitute in a Capital One Cup game at Leeds United in October 2012. Having been picked to join the First Team's pre-season training camp in Spain and Austria, he signed a one-year contract extension and went on to score in a 3-1 win over Turkish side Besiktas in a friendly. . JAKE SINCLAIR D.O.B: 29/11/1994 Position: Striker . A quick and prolific forward who was scouted by the Saints Academy at the age of eight. A regular for the Under-21s during the 2012/13 campaign, scoring a number of goals having been a virtual ever-present. Sinclair's goal haul ensured that he was handed the opportunity to represent the First Team in a comfortable 5-1 away victory over Barnsley in the Capital One Cup. . RYAN SEAGER D.O.B: 05/02/1996 Position: Striker . A striker who scores goals for fun, 'Rafa' has a useful habit of poaching efforts inside the box – something he showed as a schoolboy at Saints with a goal for the Under-18s against Arsenal. . Seager shone in his first full season at Under-18 level in fine form, notching 20 goals for Jason Dodd's side and making a number of substitute appearances for the Under-21s. . Profiles from http://www.saintsfc. co.uk/team/developme ntsquad/[/p][/quote]LOL , LR has his shopping list and fair enough, but I still think too many changes spoil the broth up to a point. Loans are fine but, I still think there is nothing better than your own players. I feel that in some instances the loan system is abused. Yes I know we are not minted with cash, but we do have a decent core of our own players and would much rather see these guys developed and brought on. Challenging for promotion next season is all well and good, but is it going to be STFC players that get us there or a mixed side with maybe guys from Spurs and loans from Saints, Saint Swindon FC ?. I think we need to be cautious, that's all. the wizard
  • Score: 1

12:36pm Tue 15 Apr 14

Redgollum says...

Only my opinion. But if he fits in, get him signed as Town player, rather than another loan. He hasn't played much for Southampton. That might cost us, but one less position to worry about for next season.
He might not want that, in which case we don't want him.
Only my opinion. But if he fits in, get him signed as Town player, rather than another loan. He hasn't played much for Southampton. That might cost us, but one less position to worry about for next season. He might not want that, in which case we don't want him. Redgollum
  • Score: -5

1:38pm Tue 15 Apr 14

London Red says...

Redgollum wrote:
Only my opinion. But if he fits in, get him signed as Town player, rather than another loan. He hasn't played much for Southampton. That might cost us, but one less position to worry about for next season. He might not want that, in which case we don't want him.
He's not played much due to his age - its pretty rare these days that a 19 year old goes into a Premiership starting line up
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Look at Townsend at Spurs ended going out on 9 different loans prior to breaking into the Spurs first team this season and the National Side.
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Southampton rate him highly and will not be selling to us - as they will want him to develop over the next season or two and then follow in the footseps of Wallcott, Oxlade-Chamberlain, Bale, Lallana, Shaw and Chambers!
[quote][p][bold]Redgollum[/bold] wrote: Only my opinion. But if he fits in, get him signed as Town player, rather than another loan. He hasn't played much for Southampton. That might cost us, but one less position to worry about for next season. He might not want that, in which case we don't want him.[/p][/quote]He's not played much due to his age - its pretty rare these days that a 19 year old goes into a Premiership starting line up . Look at Townsend at Spurs ended going out on 9 different loans prior to breaking into the Spurs first team this season and the National Side. . Southampton rate him highly and will not be selling to us - as they will want him to develop over the next season or two and then follow in the footseps of Wallcott, Oxlade-Chamberlain, Bale, Lallana, Shaw and Chambers! London Red
  • Score: 0

2:02pm Tue 15 Apr 14

London Red says...

the wizard wrote:
London Red wrote: I said yesterday that I to ought he would come back and that Saints would be the new "Spurs" . They have quite a few interesting prospects who could be good to see here next term - notably Reed, McQueen and Seager . HARRISON REED D.O.B: 27/01/1995 Position: Central midfielder . A tenacious and hard working midfielder who also boasts a great range of passing. At five-foot-six he may be small in stature, but his ability on the ball makes him a valuable addition to any side. . Those attributes combined with his ginger hair draws obvious comparisons to former Manchester United and England midfielder Paul Scholes. . Reed stepped into the Under-21s squad during the latter half of the 2012/13 season, scoring a superb goal on his first Barclays U21 Premier League appearance. The youngster's tireless performances in the U21s side saw him selected as part of a trio who made their First Team bows against Barnsley in the Capital One Cup, with his first start following in the same competition when Saints travelled to Sunderland in Round Four. . His good form earned Reed a first ever call-up into an England squad during February 2014 when he made it into the Under-19s, playing alongside fellow Saints Calum Chambers, Sam Gallagher and Matt Targett. . CORBY MOORE D.O.B: 21/11/1993 Position: Central midfielder . A stylish midfielder with an eye for goal, Corby's ability on the ball and awareness make him well suited to a central berth. His dedication to playing in the Academy since the age of eight has seen him progressed into the Under-21 squad. . JOE CURTIS D.O.B: 04/02/1994 Position: Central midfielder . Curtis is an attacking midfielder who can link up play in the final third. Although he has a creative eye, Joe is just as much of a goal threat himself as well as being able to lay on chances for others. . ANDY ROBINSON D.O.B: 16/10/1992 Position: Central midfielder . Robinson made his full senior debut as a substitute for Jack Cork in a Capital One Cup win over Sheffield Wednesday in September 2012. . A former captain of the Under-18s and a strong presence in the heart of midfield, Andy is not afraid of a challenge. 'Robbo' is also equipped with a stylish variety of passing, and brings tenacity and class to the centre of the park. . SAM McQUEEN D.O.B: 06/02/1995 Position: Winger . McQueen is a cultured left winger who has progressed through the ranks at Saints since he was eight years old. . Sam hails from Southampton and signed a longer-term youth contract in November 2011. McQueen enjoyed a goal laden pre-season for the Under-21 side at the start of the 2012/13 campaign but injuries have restricted his progress to-date. . He marked his long-awaited comeback with a call into the First Team squad for the FA Cup game at Sunderland in February 2014 where he replaced Adam Lallana for the final quarter of an hour of the Fifth Round tie. . OMAR ROWE D.O.B: 30/10/1994 Position: Winger . A compact and tidy winger who joined the Club at Under-16 level, Omar has the pace and ability to take players on and excite fans. . Rowe previously played for West Ham and, although born in England, can also represent Jamaica through his family. . During the second half of the 2012/13 season he has become a regular for the Under-21s and has impressed on the flanks. Rowe made such an impact at that level it has since prompted a call-up to the First Team for a debut against Barnsley in the Capital One Cup, followed by another taste of senior action in the next round for the win over Bristol City. . JAMAL BRANKER D.O.B: 25/01/1995 Position: Winger . Branker is a clever winger who joined the Club at under-ten level helped by once scoring nine goals in a game against his hometown club Reading. . The popular and effervescent frontman is a good passer of the ball with an eye for finding space in wide positions. . LLOYD ISGROVE D.O.B: 12/01/1993 Position: Winger . Lloyd is an attack-minded player who boasts trickery and a quick turn of pace which makes him a real handful for opponents. . He made his senior debut for Saints as a substitute in a Capital One Cup game at Leeds United in October 2012. Having been picked to join the First Team's pre-season training camp in Spain and Austria, he signed a one-year contract extension and went on to score in a 3-1 win over Turkish side Besiktas in a friendly. . JAKE SINCLAIR D.O.B: 29/11/1994 Position: Striker . A quick and prolific forward who was scouted by the Saints Academy at the age of eight. A regular for the Under-21s during the 2012/13 campaign, scoring a number of goals having been a virtual ever-present. Sinclair's goal haul ensured that he was handed the opportunity to represent the First Team in a comfortable 5-1 away victory over Barnsley in the Capital One Cup. . RYAN SEAGER D.O.B: 05/02/1996 Position: Striker . A striker who scores goals for fun, 'Rafa' has a useful habit of poaching efforts inside the box – something he showed as a schoolboy at Saints with a goal for the Under-18s against Arsenal. . Seager shone in his first full season at Under-18 level in fine form, notching 20 goals for Jason Dodd's side and making a number of substitute appearances for the Under-21s. . Profiles from http://www.saintsfc. co.uk/team/developme ntsquad/
LOL , LR has his shopping list and fair enough, but I still think too many changes spoil the broth up to a point. Loans are fine but, I still think there is nothing better than your own players. I feel that in some instances the loan system is abused. Yes I know we are not minted with cash, but we do have a decent core of our own players and would much rather see these guys developed and brought on. Challenging for promotion next season is all well and good, but is it going to be STFC players that get us there or a mixed side with maybe guys from Spurs and loans from Saints, Saint Swindon FC ?. I think we need to be cautious, that's all.
I'm not saying we sign all of them - and we wouldn't be allowed to anyway
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But I don't get the growing anti loan movement - as loans give us a chance to field players to the benefit of the club we have no chance of ever signing
.
I know you hate Pritchard - but he has been quality for the club and the fact he was named 2nd best player in the league by the other players and will be in the Team of the Year shows that - yet we can not afford him - so the loan has benefitted us by allowing us to have him ofr the year
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Before it is said - look at the 3 games he was banned for - Anyone who says he has not benefitted us clearly knows nothing about football - As he certainly has over the entire season!
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Stephens too fits into that category - as have others before like Ward, Milner, Given, Carrick, Flowers to name a few
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Also Loans give the club a great try before you buy which has benefitted us with Luongo, Bynre and before them Wes, Ritchie, Ferry and Greer in recent years
.
Obviously you don't want 5 in your first team as it will see high personnel change over each season and a large portion not "swindon boys"
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But I certainly do not object to having links to a few clubs where we get a few of their up and coming talent which will help push us forward
.
Obviously we can't have lots from lots of clubs - but if the "main club" roates depending on their developents squad and is supplimented by one here and there from our other contacts that seems brilliant to me
.
So it could be 3 Saints Next year, 1 Spurs and 1 Liverpool
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The year after could be 2 Norwich, 2 Liverpool and no Saints or Spurs etc
[quote][p][bold]the wizard[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]London Red[/bold] wrote: I said yesterday that I to ought he would come back and that Saints would be the new "Spurs" . They have quite a few interesting prospects who could be good to see here next term - notably Reed, McQueen and Seager . HARRISON REED D.O.B: 27/01/1995 Position: Central midfielder . A tenacious and hard working midfielder who also boasts a great range of passing. At five-foot-six he may be small in stature, but his ability on the ball makes him a valuable addition to any side. . Those attributes combined with his ginger hair draws obvious comparisons to former Manchester United and England midfielder Paul Scholes. . Reed stepped into the Under-21s squad during the latter half of the 2012/13 season, scoring a superb goal on his first Barclays U21 Premier League appearance. The youngster's tireless performances in the U21s side saw him selected as part of a trio who made their First Team bows against Barnsley in the Capital One Cup, with his first start following in the same competition when Saints travelled to Sunderland in Round Four. . His good form earned Reed a first ever call-up into an England squad during February 2014 when he made it into the Under-19s, playing alongside fellow Saints Calum Chambers, Sam Gallagher and Matt Targett. . CORBY MOORE D.O.B: 21/11/1993 Position: Central midfielder . A stylish midfielder with an eye for goal, Corby's ability on the ball and awareness make him well suited to a central berth. His dedication to playing in the Academy since the age of eight has seen him progressed into the Under-21 squad. . JOE CURTIS D.O.B: 04/02/1994 Position: Central midfielder . Curtis is an attacking midfielder who can link up play in the final third. Although he has a creative eye, Joe is just as much of a goal threat himself as well as being able to lay on chances for others. . ANDY ROBINSON D.O.B: 16/10/1992 Position: Central midfielder . Robinson made his full senior debut as a substitute for Jack Cork in a Capital One Cup win over Sheffield Wednesday in September 2012. . A former captain of the Under-18s and a strong presence in the heart of midfield, Andy is not afraid of a challenge. 'Robbo' is also equipped with a stylish variety of passing, and brings tenacity and class to the centre of the park. . SAM McQUEEN D.O.B: 06/02/1995 Position: Winger . McQueen is a cultured left winger who has progressed through the ranks at Saints since he was eight years old. . Sam hails from Southampton and signed a longer-term youth contract in November 2011. McQueen enjoyed a goal laden pre-season for the Under-21 side at the start of the 2012/13 campaign but injuries have restricted his progress to-date. . He marked his long-awaited comeback with a call into the First Team squad for the FA Cup game at Sunderland in February 2014 where he replaced Adam Lallana for the final quarter of an hour of the Fifth Round tie. . OMAR ROWE D.O.B: 30/10/1994 Position: Winger . A compact and tidy winger who joined the Club at Under-16 level, Omar has the pace and ability to take players on and excite fans. . Rowe previously played for West Ham and, although born in England, can also represent Jamaica through his family. . During the second half of the 2012/13 season he has become a regular for the Under-21s and has impressed on the flanks. Rowe made such an impact at that level it has since prompted a call-up to the First Team for a debut against Barnsley in the Capital One Cup, followed by another taste of senior action in the next round for the win over Bristol City. . JAMAL BRANKER D.O.B: 25/01/1995 Position: Winger . Branker is a clever winger who joined the Club at under-ten level helped by once scoring nine goals in a game against his hometown club Reading. . The popular and effervescent frontman is a good passer of the ball with an eye for finding space in wide positions. . LLOYD ISGROVE D.O.B: 12/01/1993 Position: Winger . Lloyd is an attack-minded player who boasts trickery and a quick turn of pace which makes him a real handful for opponents. . He made his senior debut for Saints as a substitute in a Capital One Cup game at Leeds United in October 2012. Having been picked to join the First Team's pre-season training camp in Spain and Austria, he signed a one-year contract extension and went on to score in a 3-1 win over Turkish side Besiktas in a friendly. . JAKE SINCLAIR D.O.B: 29/11/1994 Position: Striker . A quick and prolific forward who was scouted by the Saints Academy at the age of eight. A regular for the Under-21s during the 2012/13 campaign, scoring a number of goals having been a virtual ever-present. Sinclair's goal haul ensured that he was handed the opportunity to represent the First Team in a comfortable 5-1 away victory over Barnsley in the Capital One Cup. . RYAN SEAGER D.O.B: 05/02/1996 Position: Striker . A striker who scores goals for fun, 'Rafa' has a useful habit of poaching efforts inside the box – something he showed as a schoolboy at Saints with a goal for the Under-18s against Arsenal. . Seager shone in his first full season at Under-18 level in fine form, notching 20 goals for Jason Dodd's side and making a number of substitute appearances for the Under-21s. . Profiles from http://www.saintsfc. co.uk/team/developme ntsquad/[/p][/quote]LOL , LR has his shopping list and fair enough, but I still think too many changes spoil the broth up to a point. Loans are fine but, I still think there is nothing better than your own players. I feel that in some instances the loan system is abused. Yes I know we are not minted with cash, but we do have a decent core of our own players and would much rather see these guys developed and brought on. Challenging for promotion next season is all well and good, but is it going to be STFC players that get us there or a mixed side with maybe guys from Spurs and loans from Saints, Saint Swindon FC ?. I think we need to be cautious, that's all.[/p][/quote]I'm not saying we sign all of them - and we wouldn't be allowed to anyway . But I don't get the growing anti loan movement - as loans give us a chance to field players to the benefit of the club we have no chance of ever signing . I know you hate Pritchard - but he has been quality for the club and the fact he was named 2nd best player in the league by the other players and will be in the Team of the Year shows that - yet we can not afford him - so the loan has benefitted us by allowing us to have him ofr the year . Before it is said - look at the 3 games he was banned for - Anyone who says he has not benefitted us clearly knows nothing about football - As he certainly has over the entire season! . Stephens too fits into that category - as have others before like Ward, Milner, Given, Carrick, Flowers to name a few . Also Loans give the club a great try before you buy which has benefitted us with Luongo, Bynre and before them Wes, Ritchie, Ferry and Greer in recent years . Obviously you don't want 5 in your first team as it will see high personnel change over each season and a large portion not "swindon boys" . But I certainly do not object to having links to a few clubs where we get a few of their up and coming talent which will help push us forward . Obviously we can't have lots from lots of clubs - but if the "main club" roates depending on their developents squad and is supplimented by one here and there from our other contacts that seems brilliant to me . So it could be 3 Saints Next year, 1 Spurs and 1 Liverpool . The year after could be 2 Norwich, 2 Liverpool and no Saints or Spurs etc London Red
  • Score: 0

2:36pm Tue 15 Apr 14

smirg kcab says...

Wilesy wrote:
Definitely want Stephens back but it's not him alone that has shored up our defence.

Troy and Stephens appear a far better combination than Ward and Hall, mainly due to more pace and strength.

Troy playing fantastically and is the no-nonsense centre back we didn't have up to January.

Jay having his best form of the season.

Nathan maybe not on top form but playing well and relishing the captains armband.

Wes back at his best and has improved with the pressure on his position from Belford.

Less pressure on the defence through defending as a team through the hard work of Smith and Storey up front and the midfield too.

Less pressure on the defence through less tippy tappy and the definite shift to passing the ball forward quicker.

Would be very happy if Saints are the 'new Spurs' for loans, but wouldn't rule out Norwich either, Power has history there of course and we got Murphy from them few months ago.

Will be interesting to see what happens with Sherwood in the coming months - if he stays will he still have influence on the loaning of Spurs youngsters, might he get the sack but return to his previous position at Spurs, or might he get the sack and end up at another club. Either way he's obviously a big mate of Power so keeping tabs on that.
Sherwood has been sacked already, but levy has told him to carry on with the job untill the end of the season , strange yes but true
Do think the new manager being foreign will want his own staff below
[quote][p][bold]Wilesy[/bold] wrote: Definitely want Stephens back but it's not him alone that has shored up our defence. Troy and Stephens appear a far better combination than Ward and Hall, mainly due to more pace and strength. Troy playing fantastically and is the no-nonsense centre back we didn't have up to January. Jay having his best form of the season. Nathan maybe not on top form but playing well and relishing the captains armband. Wes back at his best and has improved with the pressure on his position from Belford. Less pressure on the defence through defending as a team through the hard work of Smith and Storey up front and the midfield too. Less pressure on the defence through less tippy tappy and the definite shift to passing the ball forward quicker. Would be very happy if Saints are the 'new Spurs' for loans, but wouldn't rule out Norwich either, Power has history there of course and we got Murphy from them few months ago. Will be interesting to see what happens with Sherwood in the coming months - if he stays will he still have influence on the loaning of Spurs youngsters, might he get the sack but return to his previous position at Spurs, or might he get the sack and end up at another club. Either way he's obviously a big mate of Power so keeping tabs on that.[/p][/quote]Sherwood has been sacked already, but levy has told him to carry on with the job untill the end of the season , strange yes but true Do think the new manager being foreign will want his own staff below smirg kcab
  • Score: -1

3:01pm Tue 15 Apr 14

lifelong red says...

Yes it would be good to have Stephens back here next season , and while i have nothing against loans- they can be beneficial for a variety of reasons - i don't think we should ever lose sight of the need to develop our own talent . For instance , with only 4 games left , and any hopes of play- off's fast disappearing , perhaps now is the time to "blood " the likes of Oakley and Waldron ,if only to assess their potential and to give them some valuable experience when looking towards next season .
Yes it would be good to have Stephens back here next season , and while i have nothing against loans- they can be beneficial for a variety of reasons - i don't think we should ever lose sight of the need to develop our own talent . For instance , with only 4 games left , and any hopes of play- off's fast disappearing , perhaps now is the time to "blood " the likes of Oakley and Waldron ,if only to assess their potential and to give them some valuable experience when looking towards next season . lifelong red
  • Score: 2

3:58pm Tue 15 Apr 14

the wizard says...

London Red wrote:
the wizard wrote:
London Red wrote: I said yesterday that I to ought he would come back and that Saints would be the new "Spurs" . They have quite a few interesting prospects who could be good to see here next term - notably Reed, McQueen and Seager . HARRISON REED D.O.B: 27/01/1995 Position: Central midfielder . A tenacious and hard working midfielder who also boasts a great range of passing. At five-foot-six he may be small in stature, but his ability on the ball makes him a valuable addition to any side. . Those attributes combined with his ginger hair draws obvious comparisons to former Manchester United and England midfielder Paul Scholes. . Reed stepped into the Under-21s squad during the latter half of the 2012/13 season, scoring a superb goal on his first Barclays U21 Premier League appearance. The youngster's tireless performances in the U21s side saw him selected as part of a trio who made their First Team bows against Barnsley in the Capital One Cup, with his first start following in the same competition when Saints travelled to Sunderland in Round Four. . His good form earned Reed a first ever call-up into an England squad during February 2014 when he made it into the Under-19s, playing alongside fellow Saints Calum Chambers, Sam Gallagher and Matt Targett. . CORBY MOORE D.O.B: 21/11/1993 Position: Central midfielder . A stylish midfielder with an eye for goal, Corby's ability on the ball and awareness make him well suited to a central berth. His dedication to playing in the Academy since the age of eight has seen him progressed into the Under-21 squad. . JOE CURTIS D.O.B: 04/02/1994 Position: Central midfielder . Curtis is an attacking midfielder who can link up play in the final third. Although he has a creative eye, Joe is just as much of a goal threat himself as well as being able to lay on chances for others. . ANDY ROBINSON D.O.B: 16/10/1992 Position: Central midfielder . Robinson made his full senior debut as a substitute for Jack Cork in a Capital One Cup win over Sheffield Wednesday in September 2012. . A former captain of the Under-18s and a strong presence in the heart of midfield, Andy is not afraid of a challenge. 'Robbo' is also equipped with a stylish variety of passing, and brings tenacity and class to the centre of the park. . SAM McQUEEN D.O.B: 06/02/1995 Position: Winger . McQueen is a cultured left winger who has progressed through the ranks at Saints since he was eight years old. . Sam hails from Southampton and signed a longer-term youth contract in November 2011. McQueen enjoyed a goal laden pre-season for the Under-21 side at the start of the 2012/13 campaign but injuries have restricted his progress to-date. . He marked his long-awaited comeback with a call into the First Team squad for the FA Cup game at Sunderland in February 2014 where he replaced Adam Lallana for the final quarter of an hour of the Fifth Round tie. . OMAR ROWE D.O.B: 30/10/1994 Position: Winger . A compact and tidy winger who joined the Club at Under-16 level, Omar has the pace and ability to take players on and excite fans. . Rowe previously played for West Ham and, although born in England, can also represent Jamaica through his family. . During the second half of the 2012/13 season he has become a regular for the Under-21s and has impressed on the flanks. Rowe made such an impact at that level it has since prompted a call-up to the First Team for a debut against Barnsley in the Capital One Cup, followed by another taste of senior action in the next round for the win over Bristol City. . JAMAL BRANKER D.O.B: 25/01/1995 Position: Winger . Branker is a clever winger who joined the Club at under-ten level helped by once scoring nine goals in a game against his hometown club Reading. . The popular and effervescent frontman is a good passer of the ball with an eye for finding space in wide positions. . LLOYD ISGROVE D.O.B: 12/01/1993 Position: Winger . Lloyd is an attack-minded player who boasts trickery and a quick turn of pace which makes him a real handful for opponents. . He made his senior debut for Saints as a substitute in a Capital One Cup game at Leeds United in October 2012. Having been picked to join the First Team's pre-season training camp in Spain and Austria, he signed a one-year contract extension and went on to score in a 3-1 win over Turkish side Besiktas in a friendly. . JAKE SINCLAIR D.O.B: 29/11/1994 Position: Striker . A quick and prolific forward who was scouted by the Saints Academy at the age of eight. A regular for the Under-21s during the 2012/13 campaign, scoring a number of goals having been a virtual ever-present. Sinclair's goal haul ensured that he was handed the opportunity to represent the First Team in a comfortable 5-1 away victory over Barnsley in the Capital One Cup. . RYAN SEAGER D.O.B: 05/02/1996 Position: Striker . A striker who scores goals for fun, 'Rafa' has a useful habit of poaching efforts inside the box – something he showed as a schoolboy at Saints with a goal for the Under-18s against Arsenal. . Seager shone in his first full season at Under-18 level in fine form, notching 20 goals for Jason Dodd's side and making a number of substitute appearances for the Under-21s. . Profiles from http://www.saintsfc. co.uk/team/developme ntsquad/
LOL , LR has his shopping list and fair enough, but I still think too many changes spoil the broth up to a point. Loans are fine but, I still think there is nothing better than your own players. I feel that in some instances the loan system is abused. Yes I know we are not minted with cash, but we do have a decent core of our own players and would much rather see these guys developed and brought on. Challenging for promotion next season is all well and good, but is it going to be STFC players that get us there or a mixed side with maybe guys from Spurs and loans from Saints, Saint Swindon FC ?. I think we need to be cautious, that's all.
I'm not saying we sign all of them - and we wouldn't be allowed to anyway
.
But I don't get the growing anti loan movement - as loans give us a chance to field players to the benefit of the club we have no chance of ever signing
.
I know you hate Pritchard - but he has been quality for the club and the fact he was named 2nd best player in the league by the other players and will be in the Team of the Year shows that - yet we can not afford him - so the loan has benefitted us by allowing us to have him ofr the year
.
Before it is said - look at the 3 games he was banned for - Anyone who says he has not benefitted us clearly knows nothing about football - As he certainly has over the entire season!
.
Stephens too fits into that category - as have others before like Ward, Milner, Given, Carrick, Flowers to name a few
.
Also Loans give the club a great try before you buy which has benefitted us with Luongo, Bynre and before them Wes, Ritchie, Ferry and Greer in recent years
.
Obviously you don't want 5 in your first team as it will see high personnel change over each season and a large portion not "swindon boys"
.
But I certainly do not object to having links to a few clubs where we get a few of their up and coming talent which will help push us forward
.
Obviously we can't have lots from lots of clubs - but if the "main club" roates depending on their developents squad and is supplimented by one here and there from our other contacts that seems brilliant to me
.
So it could be 3 Saints Next year, 1 Spurs and 1 Liverpool
.
The year after could be 2 Norwich, 2 Liverpool and no Saints or Spurs etc
LR,

I don't "hate" Pritchard, lets get that out of the way. I do think he has been unnecessarily petulant at times and considering his football upbringing I think he has shown himself to be immature in his dealings with referees over the term of the season. To his credit however I thought his restraint against Alan macca who IMO should have walked after a definite red on Saturday shows he may be learning.

I don't mind or object to us having ties with other clubs but as I summarized I think we have to be cautious. We could be letting talent slip through our fingers into the hands of other clubs as we have trained but not developed our own players far enough before relinquishing their services, and then they go on to shine elsewhere, to our embarrassment.
Oh and before somebody else jumps in, the three games Alex was banned for, wait for it, we played better as a team, or do I need Specsavers again.
For the record, I would take him over Hall, who despite all his promise has not looked a shadow of Stevens, who has future stardom written all over his wrapper. hall would be better served at one of the better L2 clubs until he can find his feet which is why he was sent here, and he is still looking for those feet. With Stevens, TAH and Branco there is your back line for next season. We will have to wait and see what next August brings, but on reflection given the turmoil since last February finishing we we are I'll take as a positive. The thing is IF we did go up next season with loan players in the squad, what does Power do when he has the club in the next tier, continue to bring players in on loan ? . We have to brake the circle at some point, which is why I am guarded as to how many loans we have. I hope you can see where I'm going with that.
[quote][p][bold]London Red[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]the wizard[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]London Red[/bold] wrote: I said yesterday that I to ought he would come back and that Saints would be the new "Spurs" . They have quite a few interesting prospects who could be good to see here next term - notably Reed, McQueen and Seager . HARRISON REED D.O.B: 27/01/1995 Position: Central midfielder . A tenacious and hard working midfielder who also boasts a great range of passing. At five-foot-six he may be small in stature, but his ability on the ball makes him a valuable addition to any side. . Those attributes combined with his ginger hair draws obvious comparisons to former Manchester United and England midfielder Paul Scholes. . Reed stepped into the Under-21s squad during the latter half of the 2012/13 season, scoring a superb goal on his first Barclays U21 Premier League appearance. The youngster's tireless performances in the U21s side saw him selected as part of a trio who made their First Team bows against Barnsley in the Capital One Cup, with his first start following in the same competition when Saints travelled to Sunderland in Round Four. . His good form earned Reed a first ever call-up into an England squad during February 2014 when he made it into the Under-19s, playing alongside fellow Saints Calum Chambers, Sam Gallagher and Matt Targett. . CORBY MOORE D.O.B: 21/11/1993 Position: Central midfielder . A stylish midfielder with an eye for goal, Corby's ability on the ball and awareness make him well suited to a central berth. His dedication to playing in the Academy since the age of eight has seen him progressed into the Under-21 squad. . JOE CURTIS D.O.B: 04/02/1994 Position: Central midfielder . Curtis is an attacking midfielder who can link up play in the final third. Although he has a creative eye, Joe is just as much of a goal threat himself as well as being able to lay on chances for others. . ANDY ROBINSON D.O.B: 16/10/1992 Position: Central midfielder . Robinson made his full senior debut as a substitute for Jack Cork in a Capital One Cup win over Sheffield Wednesday in September 2012. . A former captain of the Under-18s and a strong presence in the heart of midfield, Andy is not afraid of a challenge. 'Robbo' is also equipped with a stylish variety of passing, and brings tenacity and class to the centre of the park. . SAM McQUEEN D.O.B: 06/02/1995 Position: Winger . McQueen is a cultured left winger who has progressed through the ranks at Saints since he was eight years old. . Sam hails from Southampton and signed a longer-term youth contract in November 2011. McQueen enjoyed a goal laden pre-season for the Under-21 side at the start of the 2012/13 campaign but injuries have restricted his progress to-date. . He marked his long-awaited comeback with a call into the First Team squad for the FA Cup game at Sunderland in February 2014 where he replaced Adam Lallana for the final quarter of an hour of the Fifth Round tie. . OMAR ROWE D.O.B: 30/10/1994 Position: Winger . A compact and tidy winger who joined the Club at Under-16 level, Omar has the pace and ability to take players on and excite fans. . Rowe previously played for West Ham and, although born in England, can also represent Jamaica through his family. . During the second half of the 2012/13 season he has become a regular for the Under-21s and has impressed on the flanks. Rowe made such an impact at that level it has since prompted a call-up to the First Team for a debut against Barnsley in the Capital One Cup, followed by another taste of senior action in the next round for the win over Bristol City. . JAMAL BRANKER D.O.B: 25/01/1995 Position: Winger . Branker is a clever winger who joined the Club at under-ten level helped by once scoring nine goals in a game against his hometown club Reading. . The popular and effervescent frontman is a good passer of the ball with an eye for finding space in wide positions. . LLOYD ISGROVE D.O.B: 12/01/1993 Position: Winger . Lloyd is an attack-minded player who boasts trickery and a quick turn of pace which makes him a real handful for opponents. . He made his senior debut for Saints as a substitute in a Capital One Cup game at Leeds United in October 2012. Having been picked to join the First Team's pre-season training camp in Spain and Austria, he signed a one-year contract extension and went on to score in a 3-1 win over Turkish side Besiktas in a friendly. . JAKE SINCLAIR D.O.B: 29/11/1994 Position: Striker . A quick and prolific forward who was scouted by the Saints Academy at the age of eight. A regular for the Under-21s during the 2012/13 campaign, scoring a number of goals having been a virtual ever-present. Sinclair's goal haul ensured that he was handed the opportunity to represent the First Team in a comfortable 5-1 away victory over Barnsley in the Capital One Cup. . RYAN SEAGER D.O.B: 05/02/1996 Position: Striker . A striker who scores goals for fun, 'Rafa' has a useful habit of poaching efforts inside the box – something he showed as a schoolboy at Saints with a goal for the Under-18s against Arsenal. . Seager shone in his first full season at Under-18 level in fine form, notching 20 goals for Jason Dodd's side and making a number of substitute appearances for the Under-21s. . Profiles from http://www.saintsfc. co.uk/team/developme ntsquad/[/p][/quote]LOL , LR has his shopping list and fair enough, but I still think too many changes spoil the broth up to a point. Loans are fine but, I still think there is nothing better than your own players. I feel that in some instances the loan system is abused. Yes I know we are not minted with cash, but we do have a decent core of our own players and would much rather see these guys developed and brought on. Challenging for promotion next season is all well and good, but is it going to be STFC players that get us there or a mixed side with maybe guys from Spurs and loans from Saints, Saint Swindon FC ?. I think we need to be cautious, that's all.[/p][/quote]I'm not saying we sign all of them - and we wouldn't be allowed to anyway . But I don't get the growing anti loan movement - as loans give us a chance to field players to the benefit of the club we have no chance of ever signing . I know you hate Pritchard - but he has been quality for the club and the fact he was named 2nd best player in the league by the other players and will be in the Team of the Year shows that - yet we can not afford him - so the loan has benefitted us by allowing us to have him ofr the year . Before it is said - look at the 3 games he was banned for - Anyone who says he has not benefitted us clearly knows nothing about football - As he certainly has over the entire season! . Stephens too fits into that category - as have others before like Ward, Milner, Given, Carrick, Flowers to name a few . Also Loans give the club a great try before you buy which has benefitted us with Luongo, Bynre and before them Wes, Ritchie, Ferry and Greer in recent years . Obviously you don't want 5 in your first team as it will see high personnel change over each season and a large portion not "swindon boys" . But I certainly do not object to having links to a few clubs where we get a few of their up and coming talent which will help push us forward . Obviously we can't have lots from lots of clubs - but if the "main club" roates depending on their developents squad and is supplimented by one here and there from our other contacts that seems brilliant to me . So it could be 3 Saints Next year, 1 Spurs and 1 Liverpool . The year after could be 2 Norwich, 2 Liverpool and no Saints or Spurs etc[/p][/quote]LR, I don't "hate" Pritchard, lets get that out of the way. I do think he has been unnecessarily petulant at times and considering his football upbringing I think he has shown himself to be immature in his dealings with referees over the term of the season. To his credit however I thought his restraint against Alan macca who IMO should have walked after a definite red on Saturday shows he may be learning. I don't mind or object to us having ties with other clubs but as I summarized I think we have to be cautious. We could be letting talent slip through our fingers into the hands of other clubs as we have trained but not developed our own players far enough before relinquishing their services, and then they go on to shine elsewhere, to our embarrassment. Oh and before somebody else jumps in, the three games Alex was banned for, wait for it, we played better as a team, or do I need Specsavers again. For the record, I would take him over Hall, who despite all his promise has not looked a shadow of Stevens, who has future stardom written all over his wrapper. hall would be better served at one of the better L2 clubs until he can find his feet which is why he was sent here, and he is still looking for those feet. With Stevens, TAH and Branco there is your back line for next season. We will have to wait and see what next August brings, but on reflection given the turmoil since last February finishing we we are I'll take as a positive. The thing is IF we did go up next season with loan players in the squad, what does Power do when he has the club in the next tier, continue to bring players in on loan ? . We have to brake the circle at some point, which is why I am guarded as to how many loans we have. I hope you can see where I'm going with that. the wizard
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4:35pm Tue 15 Apr 14

lifelong red says...

In response to the above posts- i don't think loan go out of fashion when reaching the championship - but i agree - you do need to be cautious if it is going to mean hampering the development of our own talent.
In response to the above posts- i don't think loan go out of fashion when reaching the championship - but i agree - you do need to be cautious if it is going to mean hampering the development of our own talent. lifelong red
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4:48pm Tue 15 Apr 14

the wizard says...

lifelong red wrote:
In response to the above posts- i don't think loan go out of fashion when reaching the championship - but i agree - you do need to be cautious if it is going to mean hampering the development of our own talent.
Thanks for seeing my side of the point. Its re assuring to know that others can see where I'm trying to go with this. Appreciated.
[quote][p][bold]lifelong red[/bold] wrote: In response to the above posts- i don't think loan go out of fashion when reaching the championship - but i agree - you do need to be cautious if it is going to mean hampering the development of our own talent.[/p][/quote]Thanks for seeing my side of the point. Its re assuring to know that others can see where I'm trying to go with this. Appreciated. the wizard
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5:17pm Tue 15 Apr 14

Oi Den! says...

LR, those Southampton players could all be good, they could all be no good or they could be a mixture. As you say, the biographies were provided by the club itself so they're not going to be anything but positively biased. I just hope Cooper gets the chance to make the decision on any loan players this time round, especially if they are long term commitments. We can't afford to be shelling out wages for a whole season on players who aren't up to it. The last thing we want to hear in 2014/15 is the excuse that we have a team that is still learning, a work in progress etc. Incidentally, nobody seems to say Stephens is still learning etc, do they? - despite the fact that he's only 20. He's good enough, so he's old enough.
LR, those Southampton players could all be good, they could all be no good or they could be a mixture. As you say, the biographies were provided by the club itself so they're not going to be anything but positively biased. I just hope Cooper gets the chance to make the decision on any loan players this time round, especially if they are long term commitments. We can't afford to be shelling out wages for a whole season on players who aren't up to it. The last thing we want to hear in 2014/15 is the excuse that we have a team that is still learning, a work in progress etc. Incidentally, nobody seems to say Stephens is still learning etc, do they? - despite the fact that he's only 20. He's good enough, so he's old enough. Oi Den!
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6:43pm Tue 15 Apr 14

London Red says...

Think you will find Saints are saying he is still learning!
.
I still don't buy your these players were forced on him arguement as our management team worked with lots of the players we signed before
.
Williams has said he recommended Kasim and he worked with Hall at Brighton and spoke very highly of him.
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As said before by others as well as me - I very much doubt Cooper hand selected Stephens anymore than he did Pritchard et al
.
Normally loans are recommendations from contacts - you go out looking for a player in a certain position and they say we could loan you X
.
Then as you said they may be good, average or poor
.
But that can depend on the the club - look at Obika disaster here yet a sucess at Charlton a league higher
.
Yes the profiles are going to be bias - but these kids have played the odd first team game and got England call ups - so that alongside others coming out of that set up (inc Stephens who has an glowing profile) suggests they could be very good signings
.
If Reed is a quater of the player Scholes was he would be an excellent player at out level!
Think you will find Saints are saying he is still learning! . I still don't buy your these players were forced on him arguement as our management team worked with lots of the players we signed before . Williams has said he recommended Kasim and he worked with Hall at Brighton and spoke very highly of him. . As said before by others as well as me - I very much doubt Cooper hand selected Stephens anymore than he did Pritchard et al . Normally loans are recommendations from contacts - you go out looking for a player in a certain position and they say we could loan you X . Then as you said they may be good, average or poor . But that can depend on the the club - look at Obika disaster here yet a sucess at Charlton a league higher . Yes the profiles are going to be bias - but these kids have played the odd first team game and got England call ups - so that alongside others coming out of that set up (inc Stephens who has an glowing profile) suggests they could be very good signings . If Reed is a quater of the player Scholes was he would be an excellent player at out level! London Red
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6:44pm Tue 15 Apr 14

Oi Den! says...

the wizard wrote:
London Red wrote:
I said yesterday that I to ought he would come back and that Saints would be the new "Spurs"
.
They have quite a few interesting prospects who could be good to see here next term - notably Reed, McQueen and Seager
.
HARRISON REED
D.O.B: 27/01/1995
Position: Central midfielder
.
A tenacious and hard working midfielder who also boasts a great range of passing. At five-foot-six he may be small in stature, but his ability on the ball makes him a valuable addition to any side.
.
Those attributes combined with his ginger hair draws obvious comparisons to former Manchester United and England midfielder Paul Scholes.
.
Reed stepped into the Under-21s squad during the latter half of the 2012/13 season, scoring a superb goal on his first Barclays U21 Premier League appearance. The youngster's tireless performances in the U21s side saw him selected as part of a trio who made their First Team bows against Barnsley in the Capital One Cup, with his first start following in the same competition when Saints travelled to Sunderland in Round Four.
.
His good form earned Reed a first ever call-up into an England squad during February 2014 when he made it into the Under-19s, playing alongside fellow Saints Calum Chambers, Sam Gallagher and Matt Targett.
.
CORBY MOORE
D.O.B: 21/11/1993
Position: Central midfielder
.
A stylish midfielder with an eye for goal, Corby's ability on the ball and awareness make him well suited to a central berth. His dedication to playing in the Academy since the age of eight has seen him progressed into the Under-21 squad.
.
JOE CURTIS
D.O.B: 04/02/1994
Position: Central midfielder
.
Curtis is an attacking midfielder who can link up play in the final third. Although he has a creative eye, Joe is just as much of a goal threat himself as well as being able to lay on chances for others.
.
ANDY ROBINSON
D.O.B: 16/10/1992
Position: Central midfielder
.
Robinson made his full senior debut as a substitute for Jack Cork in a Capital One Cup win over Sheffield Wednesday in September 2012.
.
A former captain of the Under-18s and a strong presence in the heart of midfield, Andy is not afraid of a challenge. 'Robbo' is also equipped with a stylish variety of passing, and brings tenacity and class to the centre of the park.
.
SAM McQUEEN
D.O.B: 06/02/1995
Position: Winger
.
McQueen is a cultured left winger who has progressed through the ranks at Saints since he was eight years old.
.
Sam hails from Southampton and signed a longer-term youth contract in November 2011. McQueen enjoyed a goal laden pre-season for the Under-21 side at the start of the 2012/13 campaign but injuries have restricted his progress to-date.
.
He marked his long-awaited comeback with a call into the First Team squad for the FA Cup game at Sunderland in February 2014 where he replaced Adam Lallana for the final quarter of an hour of the Fifth Round tie.
.
OMAR ROWE
D.O.B: 30/10/1994
Position: Winger
.
A compact and tidy winger who joined the Club at Under-16 level, Omar has the pace and ability to take players on and excite fans.
.
Rowe previously played for West Ham and, although born in England, can also represent Jamaica through his family.
.
During the second half of the 2012/13 season he has become a regular for the Under-21s and has impressed on the flanks. Rowe made such an impact at that level it has since prompted a call-up to the First Team for a debut against Barnsley in the Capital One Cup, followed by another taste of senior action in the next round for the win over Bristol City.
.
JAMAL BRANKER
D.O.B: 25/01/1995
Position: Winger
.
Branker is a clever winger who joined the Club at under-ten level helped by once scoring nine goals in a game against his hometown club Reading.
.
The popular and effervescent frontman is a good passer of the ball with an eye for finding space in wide positions.
.
LLOYD ISGROVE
D.O.B: 12/01/1993
Position: Winger
.
Lloyd is an attack-minded player who boasts trickery and a quick turn of pace which makes him a real handful for opponents.
.
He made his senior debut for Saints as a substitute in a Capital One Cup game at Leeds United in October 2012. Having been picked to join the First Team's pre-season training camp in Spain and Austria, he signed a one-year contract extension and went on to score in a 3-1 win over Turkish side Besiktas in a friendly.
.
JAKE SINCLAIR
D.O.B: 29/11/1994
Position: Striker
.
A quick and prolific forward who was scouted by the Saints Academy at the age of eight. A regular for the Under-21s during the 2012/13 campaign, scoring a number of goals having been a virtual ever-present. Sinclair's goal haul ensured that he was handed the opportunity to represent the First Team in a comfortable 5-1 away victory over Barnsley in the Capital One Cup.
.
RYAN SEAGER
D.O.B: 05/02/1996
Position: Striker
.
A striker who scores goals for fun, 'Rafa' has a useful habit of poaching efforts inside the box – something he showed as a schoolboy at Saints with a goal for the Under-18s against Arsenal.
.
Seager shone in his first full season at Under-18 level in fine form, notching 20 goals for Jason Dodd's side and making a number of substitute appearances for the Under-21s.
.
Profiles from http://www.saintsfc.


co.uk/team/developme


ntsquad/
LOL , LR has his shopping list and fair enough, but I still think too many changes spoil the broth up to a point. Loans are fine but, I still think there is nothing better than your own players. I feel that in some instances the loan system is abused. Yes I know we are not minted with cash, but we do have a decent core of our own players and would much rather see these guys developed and brought on. Challenging for promotion next season is all well and good, but is it going to be STFC players that get us there or a mixed side with maybe guys from Spurs and loans from Saints, Saint Swindon FC ?. I think we need to be cautious, that's all.
I'm with you all the way on this Wiz. Why do we have to have 5 or 6 loan players in our squad? Shouldn't we be trying to build a team of our own? I actually think it's quite sad that a high number of loans is accepted as the norm these days. It's not even as if we're one of the smaller fish in our pond. There must be something wrong with the game if it's awash with money at the top and clubs at our level can't even afford to be able to compete against each other with their own players. The whole system has gone bonkers. The "emergency loan" window is a joke, as nobody has to show that there's any emergency. I'm sure the original reasoning behind loans wasn't to enable clubs to field a team for a whole season, but to help them get over a short-term crisis. That's how it should still be.
[quote][p][bold]the wizard[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]London Red[/bold] wrote: I said yesterday that I to ought he would come back and that Saints would be the new "Spurs" . They have quite a few interesting prospects who could be good to see here next term - notably Reed, McQueen and Seager . HARRISON REED D.O.B: 27/01/1995 Position: Central midfielder . A tenacious and hard working midfielder who also boasts a great range of passing. At five-foot-six he may be small in stature, but his ability on the ball makes him a valuable addition to any side. . Those attributes combined with his ginger hair draws obvious comparisons to former Manchester United and England midfielder Paul Scholes. . Reed stepped into the Under-21s squad during the latter half of the 2012/13 season, scoring a superb goal on his first Barclays U21 Premier League appearance. The youngster's tireless performances in the U21s side saw him selected as part of a trio who made their First Team bows against Barnsley in the Capital One Cup, with his first start following in the same competition when Saints travelled to Sunderland in Round Four. . His good form earned Reed a first ever call-up into an England squad during February 2014 when he made it into the Under-19s, playing alongside fellow Saints Calum Chambers, Sam Gallagher and Matt Targett. . CORBY MOORE D.O.B: 21/11/1993 Position: Central midfielder . A stylish midfielder with an eye for goal, Corby's ability on the ball and awareness make him well suited to a central berth. His dedication to playing in the Academy since the age of eight has seen him progressed into the Under-21 squad. . JOE CURTIS D.O.B: 04/02/1994 Position: Central midfielder . Curtis is an attacking midfielder who can link up play in the final third. Although he has a creative eye, Joe is just as much of a goal threat himself as well as being able to lay on chances for others. . ANDY ROBINSON D.O.B: 16/10/1992 Position: Central midfielder . Robinson made his full senior debut as a substitute for Jack Cork in a Capital One Cup win over Sheffield Wednesday in September 2012. . A former captain of the Under-18s and a strong presence in the heart of midfield, Andy is not afraid of a challenge. 'Robbo' is also equipped with a stylish variety of passing, and brings tenacity and class to the centre of the park. . SAM McQUEEN D.O.B: 06/02/1995 Position: Winger . McQueen is a cultured left winger who has progressed through the ranks at Saints since he was eight years old. . Sam hails from Southampton and signed a longer-term youth contract in November 2011. McQueen enjoyed a goal laden pre-season for the Under-21 side at the start of the 2012/13 campaign but injuries have restricted his progress to-date. . He marked his long-awaited comeback with a call into the First Team squad for the FA Cup game at Sunderland in February 2014 where he replaced Adam Lallana for the final quarter of an hour of the Fifth Round tie. . OMAR ROWE D.O.B: 30/10/1994 Position: Winger . A compact and tidy winger who joined the Club at Under-16 level, Omar has the pace and ability to take players on and excite fans. . Rowe previously played for West Ham and, although born in England, can also represent Jamaica through his family. . During the second half of the 2012/13 season he has become a regular for the Under-21s and has impressed on the flanks. Rowe made such an impact at that level it has since prompted a call-up to the First Team for a debut against Barnsley in the Capital One Cup, followed by another taste of senior action in the next round for the win over Bristol City. . JAMAL BRANKER D.O.B: 25/01/1995 Position: Winger . Branker is a clever winger who joined the Club at under-ten level helped by once scoring nine goals in a game against his hometown club Reading. . The popular and effervescent frontman is a good passer of the ball with an eye for finding space in wide positions. . LLOYD ISGROVE D.O.B: 12/01/1993 Position: Winger . Lloyd is an attack-minded player who boasts trickery and a quick turn of pace which makes him a real handful for opponents. . He made his senior debut for Saints as a substitute in a Capital One Cup game at Leeds United in October 2012. Having been picked to join the First Team's pre-season training camp in Spain and Austria, he signed a one-year contract extension and went on to score in a 3-1 win over Turkish side Besiktas in a friendly. . JAKE SINCLAIR D.O.B: 29/11/1994 Position: Striker . A quick and prolific forward who was scouted by the Saints Academy at the age of eight. A regular for the Under-21s during the 2012/13 campaign, scoring a number of goals having been a virtual ever-present. Sinclair's goal haul ensured that he was handed the opportunity to represent the First Team in a comfortable 5-1 away victory over Barnsley in the Capital One Cup. . RYAN SEAGER D.O.B: 05/02/1996 Position: Striker . A striker who scores goals for fun, 'Rafa' has a useful habit of poaching efforts inside the box – something he showed as a schoolboy at Saints with a goal for the Under-18s against Arsenal. . Seager shone in his first full season at Under-18 level in fine form, notching 20 goals for Jason Dodd's side and making a number of substitute appearances for the Under-21s. . Profiles from http://www.saintsfc. co.uk/team/developme ntsquad/[/p][/quote]LOL , LR has his shopping list and fair enough, but I still think too many changes spoil the broth up to a point. Loans are fine but, I still think there is nothing better than your own players. I feel that in some instances the loan system is abused. Yes I know we are not minted with cash, but we do have a decent core of our own players and would much rather see these guys developed and brought on. Challenging for promotion next season is all well and good, but is it going to be STFC players that get us there or a mixed side with maybe guys from Spurs and loans from Saints, Saint Swindon FC ?. I think we need to be cautious, that's all.[/p][/quote]I'm with you all the way on this Wiz. Why do we have to have 5 or 6 loan players in our squad? Shouldn't we be trying to build a team of our own? I actually think it's quite sad that a high number of loans is accepted as the norm these days. It's not even as if we're one of the smaller fish in our pond. There must be something wrong with the game if it's awash with money at the top and clubs at our level can't even afford to be able to compete against each other with their own players. The whole system has gone bonkers. The "emergency loan" window is a joke, as nobody has to show that there's any emergency. I'm sure the original reasoning behind loans wasn't to enable clubs to field a team for a whole season, but to help them get over a short-term crisis. That's how it should still be. Oi Den!
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6:58pm Tue 15 Apr 14

Oi Den! says...

You can dress it up any way you like LR but the 2 job lots of Spurs players - and probably Williams too - came as part of the Spurs-Brighton-Power old pals act package. It has been partially successful, I'll give you that, but I don't like it.

You know what I meant about Stephens. Nobody needs to trot out the "young and still learning" excuse - because he's good enough not to need any excuses.
You can dress it up any way you like LR but the 2 job lots of Spurs players - and probably Williams too - came as part of the Spurs-Brighton-Power old pals act package. It has been partially successful, I'll give you that, but I don't like it. You know what I meant about Stephens. Nobody needs to trot out the "young and still learning" excuse - because he's good enough not to need any excuses. Oi Den!
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6:59pm Tue 15 Apr 14

the don69 says...

Oi Den! wrote:
LR, those Southampton players could all be good, they could all be no good or they could be a mixture. As you say, the biographies were provided by the club itself so they're not going to be anything but positively biased. I just hope Cooper gets the chance to make the decision on any loan players this time round, especially if they are long term commitments. We can't afford to be shelling out wages for a whole season on players who aren't up to it. The last thing we want to hear in 2014/15 is the excuse that we have a team that is still learning, a work in progress etc. Incidentally, nobody seems to say Stephens is still learning etc, do they? - despite the fact that he's only 20. He's good enough, so he's old enough.
Stephens is still learning and a work in progress lol. he's good but still learning and should get better! at 20 Den nowhere near his best and a lot to learn lol!!!!!!!!!
[quote][p][bold]Oi Den![/bold] wrote: LR, those Southampton players could all be good, they could all be no good or they could be a mixture. As you say, the biographies were provided by the club itself so they're not going to be anything but positively biased. I just hope Cooper gets the chance to make the decision on any loan players this time round, especially if they are long term commitments. We can't afford to be shelling out wages for a whole season on players who aren't up to it. The last thing we want to hear in 2014/15 is the excuse that we have a team that is still learning, a work in progress etc. Incidentally, nobody seems to say Stephens is still learning etc, do they? - despite the fact that he's only 20. He's good enough, so he's old enough.[/p][/quote]Stephens is still learning and a work in progress lol. he's good but still learning and should get better! at 20 Den nowhere near his best and a lot to learn lol!!!!!!!!! the don69
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7:02pm Tue 15 Apr 14

subbuteoles says...

Stilloyal wrote:
subbuteoles wrote:
If we want to progress from this season then yes, would be great if we could have Jack Stephens on board. An excellent young talented player as we have all seen. Sign him on!.
Its very clear and obvious that our defending has improved 100% since Jack & Archie have been paired in the team, long may they be there.
See you Monday Les
Spot on Stilloyal, I,ll be there Monday mate. Meet up for a pint before game in the County Ground Hotel Wine Bar Al!.
[quote][p][bold]Stilloyal[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]subbuteoles[/bold] wrote: If we want to progress from this season then yes, would be great if we could have Jack Stephens on board. An excellent young talented player as we have all seen. Sign him on!.[/p][/quote]Its very clear and obvious that our defending has improved 100% since Jack & Archie have been paired in the team, long may they be there. See you Monday Les[/p][/quote]Spot on Stilloyal, I,ll be there Monday mate. Meet up for a pint before game in the County Ground Hotel Wine Bar Al!. subbuteoles
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11:18pm Tue 15 Apr 14

Cleuso says...

Oi Den! wrote:
You can dress it up any way you like LR but the 2 job lots of Spurs players - and probably Williams too - came as part of the Spurs-Brighton-Power old pals act package. It has been partially successful, I'll give you that, but I don't like it.

You know what I meant about Stephens. Nobody needs to trot out the "young and still learning" excuse - because he's good enough not to need any excuses.
Really don't know why you identify or resent the "old pals act package"...It happens everywhere, up and down the country from premiership to all levels below.

How many times to you hear newly appointed managers appointing assistants that they have previously worked with or managers phoning up other managers they know well and lean on a friendship to ask a favour and "borrow" a player or two, when in need. This sort of thing is the norm, not the exception, so don't really get your point about you not liking that.

Would you count a Calderwood appointing including Ling and Taylor as assistants, bringing in players from Norwich, Torquay and plymouth as equally irksome to your feelings ? Somehow I doubt you would feel the same and somehow " ignore" the old pals thing.

Whichever way you cut it, this season (so far) under the present arrangements has been successful, hopefully even better next season, but at the start of the season it could have been a whole lot worse. So credit where credit is due, it's worked and looking forward expectantly to the next instalment, when the stakes and bar will be set higher given this season's achievements.
[quote][p][bold]Oi Den![/bold] wrote: You can dress it up any way you like LR but the 2 job lots of Spurs players - and probably Williams too - came as part of the Spurs-Brighton-Power old pals act package. It has been partially successful, I'll give you that, but I don't like it. You know what I meant about Stephens. Nobody needs to trot out the "young and still learning" excuse - because he's good enough not to need any excuses.[/p][/quote]Really don't know why you identify or resent the "old pals act package"...It happens everywhere, up and down the country from premiership to all levels below. How many times to you hear newly appointed managers appointing assistants that they have previously worked with or managers phoning up other managers they know well and lean on a friendship to ask a favour and "borrow" a player or two, when in need. This sort of thing is the norm, not the exception, so don't really get your point about you not liking that. Would you count a Calderwood appointing including Ling and Taylor as assistants, bringing in players from Norwich, Torquay and plymouth as equally irksome to your feelings ? Somehow I doubt you would feel the same and somehow " ignore" the old pals thing. Whichever way you cut it, this season (so far) under the present arrangements has been successful, hopefully even better next season, but at the start of the season it could have been a whole lot worse. So credit where credit is due, it's worked and looking forward expectantly to the next instalment, when the stakes and bar will be set higher given this season's achievements. Cleuso
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7:22am Wed 16 Apr 14

Oi Den! says...

Cleuso wrote:
Oi Den! wrote:
You can dress it up any way you like LR but the 2 job lots of Spurs players - and probably Williams too - came as part of the Spurs-Brighton-Power old pals act package. It has been partially successful, I'll give you that, but I don't like it.

You know what I meant about Stephens. Nobody needs to trot out the "young and still learning" excuse - because he's good enough not to need any excuses.
Really don't know why you identify or resent the "old pals act package"...It happens everywhere, up and down the country from premiership to all levels below.

How many times to you hear newly appointed managers appointing assistants that they have previously worked with or managers phoning up other managers they know well and lean on a friendship to ask a favour and "borrow" a player or two, when in need. This sort of thing is the norm, not the exception, so don't really get your point about you not liking that.

Would you count a Calderwood appointing including Ling and Taylor as assistants, bringing in players from Norwich, Torquay and plymouth as equally irksome to your feelings ? Somehow I doubt you would feel the same and somehow " ignore" the old pals thing.

Whichever way you cut it, this season (so far) under the present arrangements has been successful, hopefully even better next season, but at the start of the season it could have been a whole lot worse. So credit where credit is due, it's worked and looking forward expectantly to the next instalment, when the stakes and bar will be set higher given this season's achievements.
Cleuso, I don't expect you - or anyone else - to read every comment on here but if you'd read mine you'd know that I'm one of the many fans who are very pleased with what Cooper has achieved this season. I've also acknowledged to LR that Power's recruitment policy has been partially successful - although I maintain that there should have been a more selective approach. It was as plain as day from the start of the season that we needed a solid centre half and a combative midfield player. LR will no doubt point out our financial constraints but with a £2.5m playing budget, it might have been possible to sign those players if we hadn't relied so heavily on the Tottenham contingent.

Of course managers bring their backroom staff with them. That's only natural and I certainly don't see it as a problem. It is not the old pals act per se that irks me. It's the fact that we just seemed to assume that all those players were good enough for us simply because they were on the books of a Premier League club with connections to our chairman.

In one way Cooper is fortunate. In another he has overcome a lot of difficulties. It seems probable that he got the job because nobody else wanted it (certainly his former boss was not prepared to put up with the conditions) but he took on the poison chalice and has achieved what many of us thought impossible.

I reckon Mark Cooper has made a very good job of his first season as manager of STFC. However, we will only get to assess him properly as a manager if and when he gets a clear run at building his own team and deciding how they play.
[quote][p][bold]Cleuso[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Oi Den![/bold] wrote: You can dress it up any way you like LR but the 2 job lots of Spurs players - and probably Williams too - came as part of the Spurs-Brighton-Power old pals act package. It has been partially successful, I'll give you that, but I don't like it. You know what I meant about Stephens. Nobody needs to trot out the "young and still learning" excuse - because he's good enough not to need any excuses.[/p][/quote]Really don't know why you identify or resent the "old pals act package"...It happens everywhere, up and down the country from premiership to all levels below. How many times to you hear newly appointed managers appointing assistants that they have previously worked with or managers phoning up other managers they know well and lean on a friendship to ask a favour and "borrow" a player or two, when in need. This sort of thing is the norm, not the exception, so don't really get your point about you not liking that. Would you count a Calderwood appointing including Ling and Taylor as assistants, bringing in players from Norwich, Torquay and plymouth as equally irksome to your feelings ? Somehow I doubt you would feel the same and somehow " ignore" the old pals thing. Whichever way you cut it, this season (so far) under the present arrangements has been successful, hopefully even better next season, but at the start of the season it could have been a whole lot worse. So credit where credit is due, it's worked and looking forward expectantly to the next instalment, when the stakes and bar will be set higher given this season's achievements.[/p][/quote]Cleuso, I don't expect you - or anyone else - to read every comment on here but if you'd read mine you'd know that I'm one of the many fans who are very pleased with what Cooper has achieved this season. I've also acknowledged to LR that Power's recruitment policy has been partially successful - although I maintain that there should have been a more selective approach. It was as plain as day from the start of the season that we needed a solid centre half and a combative midfield player. LR will no doubt point out our financial constraints but with a £2.5m playing budget, it might have been possible to sign those players if we hadn't relied so heavily on the Tottenham contingent. Of course managers bring their backroom staff with them. That's only natural and I certainly don't see it as a problem. It is not the old pals act per se that irks me. It's the fact that we just seemed to assume that all those players were good enough for us simply because they were on the books of a Premier League club with connections to our chairman. In one way Cooper is fortunate. In another he has overcome a lot of difficulties. It seems probable that he got the job because nobody else wanted it (certainly his former boss was not prepared to put up with the conditions) but he took on the poison chalice and has achieved what many of us thought impossible. I reckon Mark Cooper has made a very good job of his first season as manager of STFC. However, we will only get to assess him properly as a manager if and when he gets a clear run at building his own team and deciding how they play. Oi Den!
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