Town beat off top clubs for Tijane signature

This Is Swindon Town FC: New Town signing Tijane New Town signing Tijane

SWINDON Town beat off competition from the likes of Benfica, West Ham, Tottenham and Stoke to sign Portugal Under 21 international Tijane.

The 22-year-old, full name Tijane Freitas Reis, spent last season with Chaves in the third tier of Portuguese football, and helped his club gain promotion which prompted interest from a number of top clubs.

Swindon have secured his services on a two-year deal with an option for a third, largely down to the fact they could guarantee the Guinea-Bissau born youngster first-team football rather than a prolonged spell in youth or reserve teams.

Tijane is a left-footed player who primarily plays on the right of midfield, and his representative Mickey Walsh insisted signing for Swindon is exactly the opportunity he has been looking for.

“He is naturally left-footed and has good pace and he likes to get past people and gets the ball in early, but he normally plays on the right and cuts in and joins in with the forwards,” he said.

“The opportunity to play in England is great and he feels this is the ideal opportunity to represent himself and help him and Swindon in the future.

“They have good people behind the scenes with good ambition and they want to play the right way.

“He is highly-rated and Benfica were looking to take him, but he would have ended up in the under 21 or development squad and that is not what he wants because he wants to be on the real stage and playing decent football.

“He also had an opportunity to join Estoril, who will be in the Europa League this year, but he didn’t want to go there either because a lot of their good players have gone to other clubs.

“Swindon came along and made a great offer and he is looking forward to getting going.”

Speaking through Walsh, Tijane said he is happy to have made the move to Swindon and is pleased to get the chance to show what he is capable of in English football.

“I have been looked after very well by the directors and I want to show and repay the faith the people have in me,” he said.

“This is a great place for me to play football, and I am looking forward to playing for the club.

“Moving to Portugal was hard for me, but moving from Portugal to England is not as difficult and I am looking forward to it.

“I like the English game and the way people press the ball and this is where I like to play my football.”

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6:33am Wed 3 Jul 13

old town robin says...

Could be the most exciting signing to date.
Could be the most exciting signing to date. old town robin

6:43am Wed 3 Jul 13

U REDS says...

Welcome.
Welcome. U REDS

7:02am Wed 3 Jul 13

mandrossian says...

This is a real coup. Big congrats to Jed and co. Don't expect many comments on this thread today as there's nothing to complain about...
This is a real coup. Big congrats to Jed and co. Don't expect many comments on this thread today as there's nothing to complain about... mandrossian

7:21am Wed 3 Jul 13

jedthered says...

I must admit that i was not to keen on Kmac and Jed and co to begin with, but just recently they have started to get their act together and we our starting to get a decent squad, but we do need a couple of older pro's just to get the balance right and to calm down the youngsters when things get a bit heated.
yes things are looking a lot more brighter at SN1 in my eyes.
I must admit that i was not to keen on Kmac and Jed and co to begin with, but just recently they have started to get their act together and we our starting to get a decent squad, but we do need a couple of older pro's just to get the balance right and to calm down the youngsters when things get a bit heated. yes things are looking a lot more brighter at SN1 in my eyes. jedthered

7:24am Wed 3 Jul 13

the wizard says...

Right sided midfield, likes to go forward and join in the action. All sounds good to me.

Right sided midfielder, with an abstract hair do, now where have I seen one of those before ? Old traditions die hard at some clubs, hope its a good omen.
Welcome young man.
Right sided midfield, likes to go forward and join in the action. All sounds good to me. Right sided midfielder, with an abstract hair do, now where have I seen one of those before ? Old traditions die hard at some clubs, hope its a good omen. Welcome young man. the wizard

7:47am Wed 3 Jul 13

stanharlands6shirt says...

Of all the new arrivals so far, this lad is he one that excites me.
A few weeks ago I mentioned in a post that Roberts had not lived up to expectations and hopes as a winger last season, and never inspired the feeling of a game changer when he came on.

Based ONLY on six or seven minutes of match footage on the dreaded Internet, this boy looks to have pace, is tricky and does get the ball in early.

IF he is as good as the footage, and I do not know what the standard of opposition was, then he is an exciting prospect. Loved the way he takes players on, AND BEATS THEM...

Looking forward to watching this lad.

Well done all at Town, and thanks Mickey Walsh for helping him to trust our set up.
Of all the new arrivals so far, this lad is he one that excites me. A few weeks ago I mentioned in a post that Roberts had not lived up to expectations and hopes as a winger last season, and never inspired the feeling of a game changer when he came on. Based ONLY on six or seven minutes of match footage on the dreaded Internet, this boy looks to have pace, is tricky and does get the ball in early. IF he is as good as the footage, and I do not know what the standard of opposition was, then he is an exciting prospect. Loved the way he takes players on, AND BEATS THEM... Looking forward to watching this lad. Well done all at Town, and thanks Mickey Walsh for helping him to trust our set up. stanharlands6shirt

8:07am Wed 3 Jul 13

The Town End says...

mandrossian wrote:
This is a real coup. Big congrats to Jed and co. Don't expect many comments on this thread today as there's nothing to complain about...
Dunno, this thread could be full of idiots like you who have nothing better to do than moan about the moaners and fans that are genuinely concerned about which direction the club is going?...Right I'm off to happy clap and bury my head back in the sand, adios
[quote][p][bold]mandrossian[/bold] wrote: This is a real coup. Big congrats to Jed and co. Don't expect many comments on this thread today as there's nothing to complain about...[/p][/quote]Dunno, this thread could be full of idiots like you who have nothing better to do than moan about the moaners and fans that are genuinely concerned about which direction the club is going?...Right I'm off to happy clap and bury my head back in the sand, adios The Town End

8:30am Wed 3 Jul 13

Cookie43 says...

The Town End wrote:
mandrossian wrote:
This is a real coup. Big congrats to Jed and co. Don't expect many comments on this thread today as there's nothing to complain about...
Dunno, this thread could be full of idiots like you who have nothing better to do than moan about the moaners and fans that are genuinely concerned about which direction the club is going?...Right I'm off to happy clap and bury my head back in the sand, adios
Well at least the moaners can complain about people complaining about the moaners ( is that right ) ha ha ha
Still great to see players coming in to the club!!
[quote][p][bold]The Town End[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mandrossian[/bold] wrote: This is a real coup. Big congrats to Jed and co. Don't expect many comments on this thread today as there's nothing to complain about...[/p][/quote]Dunno, this thread could be full of idiots like you who have nothing better to do than moan about the moaners and fans that are genuinely concerned about which direction the club is going?...Right I'm off to happy clap and bury my head back in the sand, adios[/p][/quote]Well at least the moaners can complain about people complaining about the moaners ( is that right ) ha ha ha Still great to see players coming in to the club!! Cookie43

8:38am Wed 3 Jul 13

Is that you Lovesey says...

This guy looks to be a great signing, but then so did Magera, lets see what he plays like, but if Benfica wanted him he must have something about him.
This guy looks to be a great signing, but then so did Magera, lets see what he plays like, but if Benfica wanted him he must have something about him. Is that you Lovesey

8:40am Wed 3 Jul 13

Ossie90 says...

The Town End wrote:
mandrossian wrote:
This is a real coup. Big congrats to Jed and co. Don't expect many comments on this thread today as there's nothing to complain about...
Dunno, this thread could be full of idiots like you who have nothing better to do than moan about the moaners and fans that are genuinely concerned about which direction the club is going?...Right I'm off to happy clap and bury my head back in the sand, adios
Unfortunately they wont realise until its too late......!
It is frustrating to see the easy ride they are getting.
But of course we are all wrong about this board and their motives.
Paul Baker of Cheltenham is one of the most respected Chairmen in the Football League..... He was probably wrong about them too....... ;)
At least when he does go to Luton, he'll have a few more million to invest than when he came here.... ;)
[quote][p][bold]The Town End[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mandrossian[/bold] wrote: This is a real coup. Big congrats to Jed and co. Don't expect many comments on this thread today as there's nothing to complain about...[/p][/quote]Dunno, this thread could be full of idiots like you who have nothing better to do than moan about the moaners and fans that are genuinely concerned about which direction the club is going?...Right I'm off to happy clap and bury my head back in the sand, adios[/p][/quote]Unfortunately they wont realise until its too late......! It is frustrating to see the easy ride they are getting. But of course we are all wrong about this board and their motives. Paul Baker of Cheltenham is one of the most respected Chairmen in the Football League..... He was probably wrong about them too....... ;) At least when he does go to Luton, he'll have a few more million to invest than when he came here.... ;) Ossie90

8:49am Wed 3 Jul 13

Ossie90 says...

Did Ward play last night?
Did Ward play last night? Ossie90

8:52am Wed 3 Jul 13

umpcah says...

Ossie90 wrote:
Did Ward play last night?
Apparently Caddis and Ward were used last night within much rotation of players.
[quote][p][bold]Ossie90[/bold] wrote: Did Ward play last night?[/p][/quote]Apparently Caddis and Ward were used last night within much rotation of players. umpcah

8:58am Wed 3 Jul 13

the wizard says...

Ossie90 wrote:
The Town End wrote:
mandrossian wrote:
This is a real coup. Big congrats to Jed and co. Don't expect many comments on this thread today as there's nothing to complain about...
Dunno, this thread could be full of idiots like you who have nothing better to do than moan about the moaners and fans that are genuinely concerned about which direction the club is going?...Right I'm off to happy clap and bury my head back in the sand, adios
Unfortunately they wont realise until its too late......!
It is frustrating to see the easy ride they are getting.
But of course we are all wrong about this board and their motives.
Paul Baker of Cheltenham is one of the most respected Chairmen in the Football League..... He was probably wrong about them too....... ;)
At least when he does go to Luton, he'll have a few more million to invest than when he came here.... ;)
Funny you should say that, but I was in conversation with some Luton lads at the weekend, and some others before, and none of them know anything about Jed and have never heard of him, yet they are regular supporters. I found all of that rather confusing and explained the situation here and how he comes across and still nobody seemed to know a thing about him. Quite odd.
[quote][p][bold]Ossie90[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Town End[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mandrossian[/bold] wrote: This is a real coup. Big congrats to Jed and co. Don't expect many comments on this thread today as there's nothing to complain about...[/p][/quote]Dunno, this thread could be full of idiots like you who have nothing better to do than moan about the moaners and fans that are genuinely concerned about which direction the club is going?...Right I'm off to happy clap and bury my head back in the sand, adios[/p][/quote]Unfortunately they wont realise until its too late......! It is frustrating to see the easy ride they are getting. But of course we are all wrong about this board and their motives. Paul Baker of Cheltenham is one of the most respected Chairmen in the Football League..... He was probably wrong about them too....... ;) At least when he does go to Luton, he'll have a few more million to invest than when he came here.... ;)[/p][/quote]Funny you should say that, but I was in conversation with some Luton lads at the weekend, and some others before, and none of them know anything about Jed and have never heard of him, yet they are regular supporters. I found all of that rather confusing and explained the situation here and how he comes across and still nobody seemed to know a thing about him. Quite odd. the wizard

9:06am Wed 3 Jul 13

Pewsham Red says...

Ossie90 wrote:
The Town End wrote:
mandrossian wrote: This is a real coup. Big congrats to Jed and co. Don't expect many comments on this thread today as there's nothing to complain about...
Dunno, this thread could be full of idiots like you who have nothing better to do than moan about the moaners and fans that are genuinely concerned about which direction the club is going?...Right I'm off to happy clap and bury my head back in the sand, adios
Unfortunately they wont realise until its too late......! It is frustrating to see the easy ride they are getting. But of course we are all wrong about this board and their motives. Paul Baker of Cheltenham is one of the most respected Chairmen in the Football League..... He was probably wrong about them too....... ;) At least when he does go to Luton, he'll have a few more million to invest than when he came here.... ;)
What do you suggest then Ossie? Perhaps you could enlighten the vast majority of us what we have all been missing. Or town end? He always has lots to say but ends up saying nothing.
[quote][p][bold]Ossie90[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Town End[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mandrossian[/bold] wrote: This is a real coup. Big congrats to Jed and co. Don't expect many comments on this thread today as there's nothing to complain about...[/p][/quote]Dunno, this thread could be full of idiots like you who have nothing better to do than moan about the moaners and fans that are genuinely concerned about which direction the club is going?...Right I'm off to happy clap and bury my head back in the sand, adios[/p][/quote]Unfortunately they wont realise until its too late......! It is frustrating to see the easy ride they are getting. But of course we are all wrong about this board and their motives. Paul Baker of Cheltenham is one of the most respected Chairmen in the Football League..... He was probably wrong about them too....... ;) At least when he does go to Luton, he'll have a few more million to invest than when he came here.... ;)[/p][/quote]What do you suggest then Ossie? Perhaps you could enlighten the vast majority of us what we have all been missing. Or town end? He always has lots to say but ends up saying nothing. Pewsham Red

10:05am Wed 3 Jul 13

mallorca says...

All looks positive,ok there all young and I think will be up for th challange do hope they all do well.
Seen Tjane on UTUBE and from brief clip he looked the business,what a gem if he works out,again wish him well.
This coming season may shock division 1 as I just feel these young players will wear the shirt with pride
GOOD LUCK TO ALL OF THEM
All looks positive,ok there all young and I think will be up for th challange do hope they all do well. Seen Tjane on UTUBE and from brief clip he looked the business,what a gem if he works out,again wish him well. This coming season may shock division 1 as I just feel these young players will wear the shirt with pride GOOD LUCK TO ALL OF THEM mallorca

10:08am Wed 3 Jul 13

Fickle Fans says...

Welcome to the club hopefully you can develop your game In the English league,

Agents video on you tube shows him at his best cant take that seriously, Its a selling tool!

Also very very lazy journalism, We didn't beat Benfica, Stoke or West Ham to the signing of this kiddy, He had trials and was deemed not good enough to be signed!

I am being realistic I want him to be a brilliant investment and he can go on and make us some money but Yinka Casal was awesome on youtube!
Welcome to the club hopefully you can develop your game In the English league, Agents video on you tube shows him at his best cant take that seriously, Its a selling tool! Also very very lazy journalism, We didn't beat Benfica, Stoke or West Ham to the signing of this kiddy, He had trials and was deemed not good enough to be signed! I am being realistic I want him to be a brilliant investment and he can go on and make us some money but Yinka Casal was awesome on youtube! Fickle Fans

10:35am Wed 3 Jul 13

stfcphil says...

Pewsham Red wrote:
Ossie90 wrote:
The Town End wrote:
mandrossian wrote: This is a real coup. Big congrats to Jed and co. Don't expect many comments on this thread today as there's nothing to complain about...
Dunno, this thread could be full of idiots like you who have nothing better to do than moan about the moaners and fans that are genuinely concerned about which direction the club is going?...Right I'm off to happy clap and bury my head back in the sand, adios
Unfortunately they wont realise until its too late......! It is frustrating to see the easy ride they are getting. But of course we are all wrong about this board and their motives. Paul Baker of Cheltenham is one of the most respected Chairmen in the Football League..... He was probably wrong about them too....... ;) At least when he does go to Luton, he'll have a few more million to invest than when he came here.... ;)
What do you suggest then Ossie? Perhaps you could enlighten the vast majority of us what we have all been missing. Or town end? He always has lots to say but ends up saying nothing.
I guess all that any of us are asking from the doubters on here is some proof, or evidence that the intentions of Jed & Co are going to scam us and leave us in the brown stuff. It is one thing to keep coming on to the forum, and tell us all that we have our heads in the sand, and it will be too late when we realise, and another thing to actually prove it.
So far, I haven't seen a single shred of fact, or a single suggestion of an alternative. So come on guys! Instead of coming on here averday and just doom-mongering for the sake of it, give us some factual evidence, and if you can prove you are right, I'm sure you will switch a lot of us over to your opinions.
[quote][p][bold]Pewsham Red[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ossie90[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Town End[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mandrossian[/bold] wrote: This is a real coup. Big congrats to Jed and co. Don't expect many comments on this thread today as there's nothing to complain about...[/p][/quote]Dunno, this thread could be full of idiots like you who have nothing better to do than moan about the moaners and fans that are genuinely concerned about which direction the club is going?...Right I'm off to happy clap and bury my head back in the sand, adios[/p][/quote]Unfortunately they wont realise until its too late......! It is frustrating to see the easy ride they are getting. But of course we are all wrong about this board and their motives. Paul Baker of Cheltenham is one of the most respected Chairmen in the Football League..... He was probably wrong about them too....... ;) At least when he does go to Luton, he'll have a few more million to invest than when he came here.... ;)[/p][/quote]What do you suggest then Ossie? Perhaps you could enlighten the vast majority of us what we have all been missing. Or town end? He always has lots to say but ends up saying nothing.[/p][/quote]I guess all that any of us are asking from the doubters on here is some proof, or evidence that the intentions of Jed & Co are going to scam us and leave us in the brown stuff. It is one thing to keep coming on to the forum, and tell us all that we have our heads in the sand, and it will be too late when we realise, and another thing to actually prove it. So far, I haven't seen a single shred of fact, or a single suggestion of an alternative. So come on guys! Instead of coming on here averday and just doom-mongering for the sake of it, give us some factual evidence, and if you can prove you are right, I'm sure you will switch a lot of us over to your opinions. stfcphil

10:40am Wed 3 Jul 13

Graham8181 says...

brilliant stuff, as much as i want some experienced players in, k mac has a great deal of experience in dealing with the younger players so maybe .....just maybe we could be seeing the start of a revolution ....or maybe not. Hopefully the former please STFC
brilliant stuff, as much as i want some experienced players in, k mac has a great deal of experience in dealing with the younger players so maybe .....just maybe we could be seeing the start of a revolution ....or maybe not. Hopefully the former please STFC Graham8181

11:13am Wed 3 Jul 13

Old-Stager, Hilperton says...

Ossie90 wrote:
The Town End wrote:
mandrossian wrote:
This is a real coup. Big congrats to Jed and co. Don't expect many comments on this thread today as there's nothing to complain about...
Dunno, this thread could be full of idiots like you who have nothing better to do than moan about the moaners and fans that are genuinely concerned about which direction the club is going?...Right I'm off to happy clap and bury my head back in the sand, adios
Unfortunately they wont realise until its too late......!
It is frustrating to see the easy ride they are getting.
But of course we are all wrong about this board and their motives.
Paul Baker of Cheltenham is one of the most respected Chairmen in the Football League..... He was probably wrong about them too....... ;)
At least when he does go to Luton, he'll have a few more million to invest than when he came here.... ;)
Paul Baker of Cheltenham is one of the most respected Chairman in the Football League ?
Do you think you could clarify that claim Ossie90 ?
[quote][p][bold]Ossie90[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Town End[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mandrossian[/bold] wrote: This is a real coup. Big congrats to Jed and co. Don't expect many comments on this thread today as there's nothing to complain about...[/p][/quote]Dunno, this thread could be full of idiots like you who have nothing better to do than moan about the moaners and fans that are genuinely concerned about which direction the club is going?...Right I'm off to happy clap and bury my head back in the sand, adios[/p][/quote]Unfortunately they wont realise until its too late......! It is frustrating to see the easy ride they are getting. But of course we are all wrong about this board and their motives. Paul Baker of Cheltenham is one of the most respected Chairmen in the Football League..... He was probably wrong about them too....... ;) At least when he does go to Luton, he'll have a few more million to invest than when he came here.... ;)[/p][/quote]Paul Baker of Cheltenham is one of the most respected Chairman in the Football League ? Do you think you could clarify that claim Ossie90 ? Old-Stager, Hilperton

11:45am Wed 3 Jul 13

the_deputy says...

Fickle Fans wrote:
Welcome to the club hopefully you can develop your game In the English league,

Agents video on you tube shows him at his best cant take that seriously, Its a selling tool!

Also very very lazy journalism, We didn't beat Benfica, Stoke or West Ham to the signing of this kiddy, He had trials and was deemed not good enough to be signed!

I am being realistic I want him to be a brilliant investment and he can go on and make us some money but Yinka Casal was awesome on youtube!
Actually, Stoke made him an offer whilst he was still under contract but Chaves turned it down.
Admittedly the headline is misleading, these trials all took place in 2012
[quote][p][bold]Fickle Fans[/bold] wrote: Welcome to the club hopefully you can develop your game In the English league, Agents video on you tube shows him at his best cant take that seriously, Its a selling tool! Also very very lazy journalism, We didn't beat Benfica, Stoke or West Ham to the signing of this kiddy, He had trials and was deemed not good enough to be signed! I am being realistic I want him to be a brilliant investment and he can go on and make us some money but Yinka Casal was awesome on youtube![/p][/quote]Actually, Stoke made him an offer whilst he was still under contract but Chaves turned it down. Admittedly the headline is misleading, these trials all took place in 2012 the_deputy

11:48am Wed 3 Jul 13

Is that you Lovesey says...

Old-Stager, Hilperton wrote:
Ossie90 wrote:
The Town End wrote:
mandrossian wrote: This is a real coup. Big congrats to Jed and co. Don't expect many comments on this thread today as there's nothing to complain about...
Dunno, this thread could be full of idiots like you who have nothing better to do than moan about the moaners and fans that are genuinely concerned about which direction the club is going?...Right I'm off to happy clap and bury my head back in the sand, adios
Unfortunately they wont realise until its too late......! It is frustrating to see the easy ride they are getting. But of course we are all wrong about this board and their motives. Paul Baker of Cheltenham is one of the most respected Chairmen in the Football League..... He was probably wrong about them too....... ;) At least when he does go to Luton, he'll have a few more million to invest than when he came here.... ;)
Paul Baker of Cheltenham is one of the most respected Chairman in the Football League ? Do you think you could clarify that claim Ossie90 ?
Iknow Paul and have met him several times, he is a great bloke who has put his own money into Cheltenham year on year to keep them ticking over and its significant money, because he loves the club, I dont like or dislike Cheltenham, but they have an excellent chairman.
[quote][p][bold]Old-Stager, Hilperton[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ossie90[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Town End[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mandrossian[/bold] wrote: This is a real coup. Big congrats to Jed and co. Don't expect many comments on this thread today as there's nothing to complain about...[/p][/quote]Dunno, this thread could be full of idiots like you who have nothing better to do than moan about the moaners and fans that are genuinely concerned about which direction the club is going?...Right I'm off to happy clap and bury my head back in the sand, adios[/p][/quote]Unfortunately they wont realise until its too late......! It is frustrating to see the easy ride they are getting. But of course we are all wrong about this board and their motives. Paul Baker of Cheltenham is one of the most respected Chairmen in the Football League..... He was probably wrong about them too....... ;) At least when he does go to Luton, he'll have a few more million to invest than when he came here.... ;)[/p][/quote]Paul Baker of Cheltenham is one of the most respected Chairman in the Football League ? Do you think you could clarify that claim Ossie90 ?[/p][/quote]Iknow Paul and have met him several times, he is a great bloke who has put his own money into Cheltenham year on year to keep them ticking over and its significant money, because he loves the club, I dont like or dislike Cheltenham, but they have an excellent chairman. Is that you Lovesey

11:50am Wed 3 Jul 13

Pewsham Red says...

Old-Stager, Hilperton wrote:
Ossie90 wrote:
The Town End wrote:
mandrossian wrote:
This is a real coup. Big congrats to Jed and co. Don't expect many comments on this thread today as there's nothing to complain about...
Dunno, this thread could be full of idiots like you who have nothing better to do than moan about the moaners and fans that are genuinely concerned about which direction the club is going?...Right I'm off to happy clap and bury my head back in the sand, adios
Unfortunately they wont realise until its too late......!
It is frustrating to see the easy ride they are getting.
But of course we are all wrong about this board and their motives.
Paul Baker of Cheltenham is one of the most respected Chairmen in the Football League..... He was probably wrong about them too....... ;)
At least when he does go to Luton, he'll have a few more million to invest than when he came here.... ;)
Paul Baker of Cheltenham is one of the most respected Chairman in the Football League ?
Do you think you could clarify that claim Ossie90 ?
I thought the same thing Old Stager. Obviously Ossie knows something we don't, as I have no idea whether this guy is respected or not.

Either that or it is another attempt to add the flimsiest of weight to a non-existent issue as there is currently no actual evidence.

You going to the Spurs game?
[quote][p][bold]Old-Stager, Hilperton[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ossie90[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Town End[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mandrossian[/bold] wrote: This is a real coup. Big congrats to Jed and co. Don't expect many comments on this thread today as there's nothing to complain about...[/p][/quote]Dunno, this thread could be full of idiots like you who have nothing better to do than moan about the moaners and fans that are genuinely concerned about which direction the club is going?...Right I'm off to happy clap and bury my head back in the sand, adios[/p][/quote]Unfortunately they wont realise until its too late......! It is frustrating to see the easy ride they are getting. But of course we are all wrong about this board and their motives. Paul Baker of Cheltenham is one of the most respected Chairmen in the Football League..... He was probably wrong about them too....... ;) At least when he does go to Luton, he'll have a few more million to invest than when he came here.... ;)[/p][/quote]Paul Baker of Cheltenham is one of the most respected Chairman in the Football League ? Do you think you could clarify that claim Ossie90 ?[/p][/quote]I thought the same thing Old Stager. Obviously Ossie knows something we don't, as I have no idea whether this guy is respected or not. Either that or it is another attempt to add the flimsiest of weight to a non-existent issue as there is currently no actual evidence. You going to the Spurs game? Pewsham Red

1:23pm Wed 3 Jul 13

Steve. Brentford says...

stfcphil wrote:
Pewsham Red wrote:
Ossie90 wrote:
The Town End wrote:
mandrossian wrote: This is a real coup. Big congrats to Jed and co. Don't expect many comments on this thread today as there's nothing to complain about...
Dunno, this thread could be full of idiots like you who have nothing better to do than moan about the moaners and fans that are genuinely concerned about which direction the club is going?...Right I'm off to happy clap and bury my head back in the sand, adios
Unfortunately they wont realise until its too late......! It is frustrating to see the easy ride they are getting. But of course we are all wrong about this board and their motives. Paul Baker of Cheltenham is one of the most respected Chairmen in the Football League..... He was probably wrong about them too....... ;) At least when he does go to Luton, he'll have a few more million to invest than when he came here.... ;)
What do you suggest then Ossie? Perhaps you could enlighten the vast majority of us what we have all been missing. Or town end? He always has lots to say but ends up saying nothing.
I guess all that any of us are asking from the doubters on here is some proof, or evidence that the intentions of Jed & Co are going to scam us and leave us in the brown stuff. It is one thing to keep coming on to the forum, and tell us all that we have our heads in the sand, and it will be too late when we realise, and another thing to actually prove it.
So far, I haven't seen a single shred of fact, or a single suggestion of an alternative. So come on guys! Instead of coming on here averday and just doom-mongering for the sake of it, give us some factual evidence, and if you can prove you are right, I'm sure you will switch a lot of us over to your opinions.
Phil, i know you have been around the Swindon forums for some yrs now but i am afraid mate you are beginning to sound worse than the wrist-slashers, nearly every thread you are posting the same old same old, if as you say they are "doom mongering for the sake of it " then ignore them cant you see that you are not going to get a answer that will satisfy you or that the wrist slashers/doom mongers etc will not be suddenly changing their opinions because you say that things are!
[quote][p][bold]stfcphil[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Pewsham Red[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ossie90[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Town End[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mandrossian[/bold] wrote: This is a real coup. Big congrats to Jed and co. Don't expect many comments on this thread today as there's nothing to complain about...[/p][/quote]Dunno, this thread could be full of idiots like you who have nothing better to do than moan about the moaners and fans that are genuinely concerned about which direction the club is going?...Right I'm off to happy clap and bury my head back in the sand, adios[/p][/quote]Unfortunately they wont realise until its too late......! It is frustrating to see the easy ride they are getting. But of course we are all wrong about this board and their motives. Paul Baker of Cheltenham is one of the most respected Chairmen in the Football League..... He was probably wrong about them too....... ;) At least when he does go to Luton, he'll have a few more million to invest than when he came here.... ;)[/p][/quote]What do you suggest then Ossie? Perhaps you could enlighten the vast majority of us what we have all been missing. Or town end? He always has lots to say but ends up saying nothing.[/p][/quote]I guess all that any of us are asking from the doubters on here is some proof, or evidence that the intentions of Jed & Co are going to scam us and leave us in the brown stuff. It is one thing to keep coming on to the forum, and tell us all that we have our heads in the sand, and it will be too late when we realise, and another thing to actually prove it. So far, I haven't seen a single shred of fact, or a single suggestion of an alternative. So come on guys! Instead of coming on here averday and just doom-mongering for the sake of it, give us some factual evidence, and if you can prove you are right, I'm sure you will switch a lot of us over to your opinions.[/p][/quote]Phil, i know you have been around the Swindon forums for some yrs now but i am afraid mate you are beginning to sound worse than the wrist-slashers, nearly every thread you are posting the same old same old, if as you say they are "doom mongering for the sake of it " then ignore them cant you see that you are not going to get a answer that will satisfy you or that the wrist slashers/doom mongers etc will not be suddenly changing their opinions because you say that things are! Steve. Brentford

1:24pm Wed 3 Jul 13

Wilesy says...

Pewsham Red wrote:
Old-Stager, Hilperton wrote:
Ossie90 wrote:
The Town End wrote:
mandrossian wrote: This is a real coup. Big congrats to Jed and co. Don't expect many comments on this thread today as there's nothing to complain about...
Dunno, this thread could be full of idiots like you who have nothing better to do than moan about the moaners and fans that are genuinely concerned about which direction the club is going?...Right I'm off to happy clap and bury my head back in the sand, adios
Unfortunately they wont realise until its too late......! It is frustrating to see the easy ride they are getting. But of course we are all wrong about this board and their motives. Paul Baker of Cheltenham is one of the most respected Chairmen in the Football League..... He was probably wrong about them too....... ;) At least when he does go to Luton, he'll have a few more million to invest than when he came here.... ;)
Paul Baker of Cheltenham is one of the most respected Chairman in the Football League ? Do you think you could clarify that claim Ossie90 ?
I thought the same thing Old Stager. Obviously Ossie knows something we don't, as I have no idea whether this guy is respected or not. Either that or it is another attempt to add the flimsiest of weight to a non-existent issue as there is currently no actual evidence. You going to the Spurs game?
Paul Baker who by all accounts is a decent bloke didn't sell as the deal was for 100% control which didn't suit him.

Meanwhile back to the story - great news and welcome to Tijane. Well done to Jed on this one he put in a decent effort to pull this off.

"We have beaten off Spurs to his signature" I very much doubt that we were in competition with them bearing in mind the current happy marriage between our two clubs!
[quote][p][bold]Pewsham Red[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Old-Stager, Hilperton[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ossie90[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Town End[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mandrossian[/bold] wrote: This is a real coup. Big congrats to Jed and co. Don't expect many comments on this thread today as there's nothing to complain about...[/p][/quote]Dunno, this thread could be full of idiots like you who have nothing better to do than moan about the moaners and fans that are genuinely concerned about which direction the club is going?...Right I'm off to happy clap and bury my head back in the sand, adios[/p][/quote]Unfortunately they wont realise until its too late......! It is frustrating to see the easy ride they are getting. But of course we are all wrong about this board and their motives. Paul Baker of Cheltenham is one of the most respected Chairmen in the Football League..... He was probably wrong about them too....... ;) At least when he does go to Luton, he'll have a few more million to invest than when he came here.... ;)[/p][/quote]Paul Baker of Cheltenham is one of the most respected Chairman in the Football League ? Do you think you could clarify that claim Ossie90 ?[/p][/quote]I thought the same thing Old Stager. Obviously Ossie knows something we don't, as I have no idea whether this guy is respected or not. Either that or it is another attempt to add the flimsiest of weight to a non-existent issue as there is currently no actual evidence. You going to the Spurs game?[/p][/quote]Paul Baker who by all accounts is a decent bloke didn't sell as the deal was for 100% control which didn't suit him. Meanwhile back to the story - great news and welcome to Tijane. Well done to Jed on this one he put in a decent effort to pull this off. "We have beaten off Spurs to his signature" I very much doubt that we were in competition with them bearing in mind the current happy marriage between our two clubs! Wilesy

1:27pm Wed 3 Jul 13

Steve. Brentford says...

Steve. Brentford wrote:
stfcphil wrote:
Pewsham Red wrote:
Ossie90 wrote:
The Town End wrote:
mandrossian wrote: This is a real coup. Big congrats to Jed and co. Don't expect many comments on this thread today as there's nothing to complain about...
Dunno, this thread could be full of idiots like you who have nothing better to do than moan about the moaners and fans that are genuinely concerned about which direction the club is going?...Right I'm off to happy clap and bury my head back in the sand, adios
Unfortunately they wont realise until its too late......! It is frustrating to see the easy ride they are getting. But of course we are all wrong about this board and their motives. Paul Baker of Cheltenham is one of the most respected Chairmen in the Football League..... He was probably wrong about them too....... ;) At least when he does go to Luton, he'll have a few more million to invest than when he came here.... ;)
What do you suggest then Ossie? Perhaps you could enlighten the vast majority of us what we have all been missing. Or town end? He always has lots to say but ends up saying nothing.
I guess all that any of us are asking from the doubters on here is some proof, or evidence that the intentions of Jed & Co are going to scam us and leave us in the brown stuff. It is one thing to keep coming on to the forum, and tell us all that we have our heads in the sand, and it will be too late when we realise, and another thing to actually prove it.
So far, I haven't seen a single shred of fact, or a single suggestion of an alternative. So come on guys! Instead of coming on here averday and just doom-mongering for the sake of it, give us some factual evidence, and if you can prove you are right, I'm sure you will switch a lot of us over to your opinions.
Phil, i know you have been around the Swindon forums for some yrs now but i am afraid mate you are beginning to sound worse than the wrist-slashers, nearly every thread you are posting the same old same old, if as you say they are "doom mongering for the sake of it " then ignore them cant you see that you are not going to get a answer that will satisfy you or that the wrist slashers/doom mongers etc will not be suddenly changing their opinions because you say that things are!
fine on the end instead of the
!
[quote][p][bold]Steve. Brentford[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]stfcphil[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Pewsham Red[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ossie90[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Town End[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mandrossian[/bold] wrote: This is a real coup. Big congrats to Jed and co. Don't expect many comments on this thread today as there's nothing to complain about...[/p][/quote]Dunno, this thread could be full of idiots like you who have nothing better to do than moan about the moaners and fans that are genuinely concerned about which direction the club is going?...Right I'm off to happy clap and bury my head back in the sand, adios[/p][/quote]Unfortunately they wont realise until its too late......! It is frustrating to see the easy ride they are getting. But of course we are all wrong about this board and their motives. Paul Baker of Cheltenham is one of the most respected Chairmen in the Football League..... He was probably wrong about them too....... ;) At least when he does go to Luton, he'll have a few more million to invest than when he came here.... ;)[/p][/quote]What do you suggest then Ossie? Perhaps you could enlighten the vast majority of us what we have all been missing. Or town end? He always has lots to say but ends up saying nothing.[/p][/quote]I guess all that any of us are asking from the doubters on here is some proof, or evidence that the intentions of Jed & Co are going to scam us and leave us in the brown stuff. It is one thing to keep coming on to the forum, and tell us all that we have our heads in the sand, and it will be too late when we realise, and another thing to actually prove it. So far, I haven't seen a single shred of fact, or a single suggestion of an alternative. So come on guys! Instead of coming on here averday and just doom-mongering for the sake of it, give us some factual evidence, and if you can prove you are right, I'm sure you will switch a lot of us over to your opinions.[/p][/quote]Phil, i know you have been around the Swindon forums for some yrs now but i am afraid mate you are beginning to sound worse than the wrist-slashers, nearly every thread you are posting the same old same old, if as you say they are "doom mongering for the sake of it " then ignore them cant you see that you are not going to get a answer that will satisfy you or that the wrist slashers/doom mongers etc will not be suddenly changing their opinions because you say that things are![/p][/quote]fine on the end instead of the ! Steve. Brentford

1:34pm Wed 3 Jul 13

Swindon1984 says...

Could be the replacement for Matt Ritchie that we needed towards the end of last season. Not heard of or seen the chap play before but sounds a positive signing. Keep it coming Jed & co.
Could be the replacement for Matt Ritchie that we needed towards the end of last season. Not heard of or seen the chap play before but sounds a positive signing. Keep it coming Jed & co. Swindon1984

1:34pm Wed 3 Jul 13

1969andallthat says...

Pewsham Red wrote:
Old-Stager, Hilperton wrote:
Ossie90 wrote:
The Town End wrote:
mandrossian wrote:
This is a real coup. Big congrats to Jed and co. Don't expect many comments on this thread today as there's nothing to complain about...
Dunno, this thread could be full of idiots like you who have nothing better to do than moan about the moaners and fans that are genuinely concerned about which direction the club is going?...Right I'm off to happy clap and bury my head back in the sand, adios
Unfortunately they wont realise until its too late......!
It is frustrating to see the easy ride they are getting.
But of course we are all wrong about this board and their motives.
Paul Baker of Cheltenham is one of the most respected Chairmen in the Football League..... He was probably wrong about them too....... ;)
At least when he does go to Luton, he'll have a few more million to invest than when he came here.... ;)
Paul Baker of Cheltenham is one of the most respected Chairman in the Football League ?
Do you think you could clarify that claim Ossie90 ?
I thought the same thing Old Stager. Obviously Ossie knows something we don't, as I have no idea whether this guy is respected or not.

Either that or it is another attempt to add the flimsiest of weight to a non-existent issue as there is currently no actual evidence.

You going to the Spurs game?
At the very least, Paul Baker has been approved by the FL to be a "fit and proper" person to be a football club director. There is, of course, no evidence that the league have deemed Lee Power, who seems to be running the club's playing affairs, to be worthy of this status.

I am sure that the Adver and Sam Morshead will enlighten us as to the progress of LP's application when they can find time between all the non-stories. Or have Jed and LP instructed SM not to follow this up?
[quote][p][bold]Pewsham Red[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Old-Stager, Hilperton[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ossie90[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Town End[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mandrossian[/bold] wrote: This is a real coup. Big congrats to Jed and co. Don't expect many comments on this thread today as there's nothing to complain about...[/p][/quote]Dunno, this thread could be full of idiots like you who have nothing better to do than moan about the moaners and fans that are genuinely concerned about which direction the club is going?...Right I'm off to happy clap and bury my head back in the sand, adios[/p][/quote]Unfortunately they wont realise until its too late......! It is frustrating to see the easy ride they are getting. But of course we are all wrong about this board and their motives. Paul Baker of Cheltenham is one of the most respected Chairmen in the Football League..... He was probably wrong about them too....... ;) At least when he does go to Luton, he'll have a few more million to invest than when he came here.... ;)[/p][/quote]Paul Baker of Cheltenham is one of the most respected Chairman in the Football League ? Do you think you could clarify that claim Ossie90 ?[/p][/quote]I thought the same thing Old Stager. Obviously Ossie knows something we don't, as I have no idea whether this guy is respected or not. Either that or it is another attempt to add the flimsiest of weight to a non-existent issue as there is currently no actual evidence. You going to the Spurs game?[/p][/quote]At the very least, Paul Baker has been approved by the FL to be a "fit and proper" person to be a football club director. There is, of course, no evidence that the league have deemed Lee Power, who seems to be running the club's playing affairs, to be worthy of this status. I am sure that the Adver and Sam Morshead will enlighten us as to the progress of LP's application when they can find time between all the non-stories. Or have Jed and LP instructed SM not to follow this up? 1969andallthat

1:34pm Wed 3 Jul 13

Bassett Hound says...

Pewsham Red wrote:
Old-Stager, Hilperton wrote:
Ossie90 wrote:
The Town End wrote:
mandrossian wrote:
This is a real coup. Big congrats to Jed and co. Don't expect many comments on this thread today as there's nothing to complain about...
Dunno, this thread could be full of idiots like you who have nothing better to do than moan about the moaners and fans that are genuinely concerned about which direction the club is going?...Right I'm off to happy clap and bury my head back in the sand, adios
Unfortunately they wont realise until its too late......!
It is frustrating to see the easy ride they are getting.
But of course we are all wrong about this board and their motives.
Paul Baker of Cheltenham is one of the most respected Chairmen in the Football League..... He was probably wrong about them too....... ;)
At least when he does go to Luton, he'll have a few more million to invest than when he came here.... ;)
Paul Baker of Cheltenham is one of the most respected Chairman in the Football League ?
Do you think you could clarify that claim Ossie90 ?
I thought the same thing Old Stager. Obviously Ossie knows something we don't, as I have no idea whether this guy is respected or not.

Either that or it is another attempt to add the flimsiest of weight to a non-existent issue as there is currently no actual evidence.

You going to the Spurs game?
Paul Baker wanted to keep 51% of Cheltenham but Jed and Co wanted control. It's as simple as that. I dont blame Jed at all. Talk of Paul Baker not trusting them is rubbish. I don't know we're this idea that he is well respected comes from. Seems to me more spin to show Jed in a bad light.
[quote][p][bold]Pewsham Red[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Old-Stager, Hilperton[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ossie90[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Town End[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mandrossian[/bold] wrote: This is a real coup. Big congrats to Jed and co. Don't expect many comments on this thread today as there's nothing to complain about...[/p][/quote]Dunno, this thread could be full of idiots like you who have nothing better to do than moan about the moaners and fans that are genuinely concerned about which direction the club is going?...Right I'm off to happy clap and bury my head back in the sand, adios[/p][/quote]Unfortunately they wont realise until its too late......! It is frustrating to see the easy ride they are getting. But of course we are all wrong about this board and their motives. Paul Baker of Cheltenham is one of the most respected Chairmen in the Football League..... He was probably wrong about them too....... ;) At least when he does go to Luton, he'll have a few more million to invest than when he came here.... ;)[/p][/quote]Paul Baker of Cheltenham is one of the most respected Chairman in the Football League ? Do you think you could clarify that claim Ossie90 ?[/p][/quote]I thought the same thing Old Stager. Obviously Ossie knows something we don't, as I have no idea whether this guy is respected or not. Either that or it is another attempt to add the flimsiest of weight to a non-existent issue as there is currently no actual evidence. You going to the Spurs game?[/p][/quote]Paul Baker wanted to keep 51% of Cheltenham but Jed and Co wanted control. It's as simple as that. I dont blame Jed at all. Talk of Paul Baker not trusting them is rubbish. I don't know we're this idea that he is well respected comes from. Seems to me more spin to show Jed in a bad light. Bassett Hound

1:47pm Wed 3 Jul 13

Bassett Hound says...

1969andallthat wrote:
Pewsham Red wrote:
Old-Stager, Hilperton wrote:
Ossie90 wrote:
The Town End wrote:
mandrossian wrote:
This is a real coup. Big congrats to Jed and co. Don't expect many comments on this thread today as there's nothing to complain about...
Dunno, this thread could be full of idiots like you who have nothing better to do than moan about the moaners and fans that are genuinely concerned about which direction the club is going?...Right I'm off to happy clap and bury my head back in the sand, adios
Unfortunately they wont realise until its too late......!
It is frustrating to see the easy ride they are getting.
But of course we are all wrong about this board and their motives.
Paul Baker of Cheltenham is one of the most respected Chairmen in the Football League..... He was probably wrong about them too....... ;)
At least when he does go to Luton, he'll have a few more million to invest than when he came here.... ;)
Paul Baker of Cheltenham is one of the most respected Chairman in the Football League ?
Do you think you could clarify that claim Ossie90 ?
I thought the same thing Old Stager. Obviously Ossie knows something we don't, as I have no idea whether this guy is respected or not.

Either that or it is another attempt to add the flimsiest of weight to a non-existent issue as there is currently no actual evidence.

You going to the Spurs game?
At the very least, Paul Baker has been approved by the FL to be a "fit and proper" person to be a football club director. There is, of course, no evidence that the league have deemed Lee Power, who seems to be running the club's playing affairs, to be worthy of this status.

I am sure that the Adver and Sam Morshead will enlighten us as to the progress of LP's application when they can find time between all the non-stories. Or have Jed and LP instructed SM not to follow this up?
Seems to me 69 that you were happy enough for Phil Spencer to handle all our player buying and selling. He was not a director or an employee. He just took £600,000 / ££750,000 in fees over 2 years.
[quote][p][bold]1969andallthat[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Pewsham Red[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Old-Stager, Hilperton[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ossie90[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Town End[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mandrossian[/bold] wrote: This is a real coup. Big congrats to Jed and co. Don't expect many comments on this thread today as there's nothing to complain about...[/p][/quote]Dunno, this thread could be full of idiots like you who have nothing better to do than moan about the moaners and fans that are genuinely concerned about which direction the club is going?...Right I'm off to happy clap and bury my head back in the sand, adios[/p][/quote]Unfortunately they wont realise until its too late......! It is frustrating to see the easy ride they are getting. But of course we are all wrong about this board and their motives. Paul Baker of Cheltenham is one of the most respected Chairmen in the Football League..... He was probably wrong about them too....... ;) At least when he does go to Luton, he'll have a few more million to invest than when he came here.... ;)[/p][/quote]Paul Baker of Cheltenham is one of the most respected Chairman in the Football League ? Do you think you could clarify that claim Ossie90 ?[/p][/quote]I thought the same thing Old Stager. Obviously Ossie knows something we don't, as I have no idea whether this guy is respected or not. Either that or it is another attempt to add the flimsiest of weight to a non-existent issue as there is currently no actual evidence. You going to the Spurs game?[/p][/quote]At the very least, Paul Baker has been approved by the FL to be a "fit and proper" person to be a football club director. There is, of course, no evidence that the league have deemed Lee Power, who seems to be running the club's playing affairs, to be worthy of this status. I am sure that the Adver and Sam Morshead will enlighten us as to the progress of LP's application when they can find time between all the non-stories. Or have Jed and LP instructed SM not to follow this up?[/p][/quote]Seems to me 69 that you were happy enough for Phil Spencer to handle all our player buying and selling. He was not a director or an employee. He just took £600,000 / ££750,000 in fees over 2 years. Bassett Hound

2:05pm Wed 3 Jul 13

1969andallthat says...

Bassett Hound wrote:
1969andallthat wrote:
Pewsham Red wrote:
Old-Stager, Hilperton wrote:
Ossie90 wrote:
The Town End wrote:
mandrossian wrote:
This is a real coup. Big congrats to Jed and co. Don't expect many comments on this thread today as there's nothing to complain about...
Dunno, this thread could be full of idiots like you who have nothing better to do than moan about the moaners and fans that are genuinely concerned about which direction the club is going?...Right I'm off to happy clap and bury my head back in the sand, adios
Unfortunately they wont realise until its too late......!
It is frustrating to see the easy ride they are getting.
But of course we are all wrong about this board and their motives.
Paul Baker of Cheltenham is one of the most respected Chairmen in the Football League..... He was probably wrong about them too....... ;)
At least when he does go to Luton, he'll have a few more million to invest than when he came here.... ;)
Paul Baker of Cheltenham is one of the most respected Chairman in the Football League ?
Do you think you could clarify that claim Ossie90 ?
I thought the same thing Old Stager. Obviously Ossie knows something we don't, as I have no idea whether this guy is respected or not.

Either that or it is another attempt to add the flimsiest of weight to a non-existent issue as there is currently no actual evidence.

You going to the Spurs game?
At the very least, Paul Baker has been approved by the FL to be a "fit and proper" person to be a football club director. There is, of course, no evidence that the league have deemed Lee Power, who seems to be running the club's playing affairs, to be worthy of this status.

I am sure that the Adver and Sam Morshead will enlighten us as to the progress of LP's application when they can find time between all the non-stories. Or have Jed and LP instructed SM not to follow this up?
Seems to me 69 that you were happy enough for Phil Spencer to handle all our player buying and selling. He was not a director or an employee. He just took £600,000 / ££750,000 in fees over 2 years.
Wasn't happy with many aspects of the PDC circus, especially Spencer's role, which made no sense.

Too wrongs don't make a right. I am very curious as to why the FL is taking so long to approve LP. Isn't Sam curious too?
[quote][p][bold]Bassett Hound[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]1969andallthat[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Pewsham Red[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Old-Stager, Hilperton[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ossie90[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Town End[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mandrossian[/bold] wrote: This is a real coup. Big congrats to Jed and co. Don't expect many comments on this thread today as there's nothing to complain about...[/p][/quote]Dunno, this thread could be full of idiots like you who have nothing better to do than moan about the moaners and fans that are genuinely concerned about which direction the club is going?...Right I'm off to happy clap and bury my head back in the sand, adios[/p][/quote]Unfortunately they wont realise until its too late......! It is frustrating to see the easy ride they are getting. But of course we are all wrong about this board and their motives. Paul Baker of Cheltenham is one of the most respected Chairmen in the Football League..... He was probably wrong about them too....... ;) At least when he does go to Luton, he'll have a few more million to invest than when he came here.... ;)[/p][/quote]Paul Baker of Cheltenham is one of the most respected Chairman in the Football League ? Do you think you could clarify that claim Ossie90 ?[/p][/quote]I thought the same thing Old Stager. Obviously Ossie knows something we don't, as I have no idea whether this guy is respected or not. Either that or it is another attempt to add the flimsiest of weight to a non-existent issue as there is currently no actual evidence. You going to the Spurs game?[/p][/quote]At the very least, Paul Baker has been approved by the FL to be a "fit and proper" person to be a football club director. There is, of course, no evidence that the league have deemed Lee Power, who seems to be running the club's playing affairs, to be worthy of this status. I am sure that the Adver and Sam Morshead will enlighten us as to the progress of LP's application when they can find time between all the non-stories. Or have Jed and LP instructed SM not to follow this up?[/p][/quote]Seems to me 69 that you were happy enough for Phil Spencer to handle all our player buying and selling. He was not a director or an employee. He just took £600,000 / ££750,000 in fees over 2 years.[/p][/quote]Wasn't happy with many aspects of the PDC circus, especially Spencer's role, which made no sense. Too wrongs don't make a right. I am very curious as to why the FL is taking so long to approve LP. Isn't Sam curious too? 1969andallthat

2:17pm Wed 3 Jul 13

stfcphil says...

1969andallthat wrote:
Bassett Hound wrote:
1969andallthat wrote:
Pewsham Red wrote:
Old-Stager, Hilperton wrote:
Ossie90 wrote:
The Town End wrote:
mandrossian wrote: This is a real coup. Big congrats to Jed and co. Don't expect many comments on this thread today as there's nothing to complain about...
Dunno, this thread could be full of idiots like you who have nothing better to do than moan about the moaners and fans that are genuinely concerned about which direction the club is going?...Right I'm off to happy clap and bury my head back in the sand, adios
Unfortunately they wont realise until its too late......! It is frustrating to see the easy ride they are getting. But of course we are all wrong about this board and their motives. Paul Baker of Cheltenham is one of the most respected Chairmen in the Football League..... He was probably wrong about them too....... ;) At least when he does go to Luton, he'll have a few more million to invest than when he came here.... ;)
Paul Baker of Cheltenham is one of the most respected Chairman in the Football League ? Do you think you could clarify that claim Ossie90 ?
I thought the same thing Old Stager. Obviously Ossie knows something we don't, as I have no idea whether this guy is respected or not. Either that or it is another attempt to add the flimsiest of weight to a non-existent issue as there is currently no actual evidence. You going to the Spurs game?
At the very least, Paul Baker has been approved by the FL to be a "fit and proper" person to be a football club director. There is, of course, no evidence that the league have deemed Lee Power, who seems to be running the club's playing affairs, to be worthy of this status. I am sure that the Adver and Sam Morshead will enlighten us as to the progress of LP's application when they can find time between all the non-stories. Or have Jed and LP instructed SM not to follow this up?
Seems to me 69 that you were happy enough for Phil Spencer to handle all our player buying and selling. He was not a director or an employee. He just took £600,000 / ££750,000 in fees over 2 years.
Wasn't happy with many aspects of the PDC circus, especially Spencer's role, which made no sense. Too wrongs don't make a right. I am very curious as to why the FL is taking so long to approve LP. Isn't Sam curious too?
Think I may have missed the point here, but unless LP is a listed Director, or owner of the club, why does he need football League approval ?
[quote][p][bold]1969andallthat[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Bassett Hound[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]1969andallthat[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Pewsham Red[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Old-Stager, Hilperton[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ossie90[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Town End[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mandrossian[/bold] wrote: This is a real coup. Big congrats to Jed and co. Don't expect many comments on this thread today as there's nothing to complain about...[/p][/quote]Dunno, this thread could be full of idiots like you who have nothing better to do than moan about the moaners and fans that are genuinely concerned about which direction the club is going?...Right I'm off to happy clap and bury my head back in the sand, adios[/p][/quote]Unfortunately they wont realise until its too late......! It is frustrating to see the easy ride they are getting. But of course we are all wrong about this board and their motives. Paul Baker of Cheltenham is one of the most respected Chairmen in the Football League..... He was probably wrong about them too....... ;) At least when he does go to Luton, he'll have a few more million to invest than when he came here.... ;)[/p][/quote]Paul Baker of Cheltenham is one of the most respected Chairman in the Football League ? Do you think you could clarify that claim Ossie90 ?[/p][/quote]I thought the same thing Old Stager. Obviously Ossie knows something we don't, as I have no idea whether this guy is respected or not. Either that or it is another attempt to add the flimsiest of weight to a non-existent issue as there is currently no actual evidence. You going to the Spurs game?[/p][/quote]At the very least, Paul Baker has been approved by the FL to be a "fit and proper" person to be a football club director. There is, of course, no evidence that the league have deemed Lee Power, who seems to be running the club's playing affairs, to be worthy of this status. I am sure that the Adver and Sam Morshead will enlighten us as to the progress of LP's application when they can find time between all the non-stories. Or have Jed and LP instructed SM not to follow this up?[/p][/quote]Seems to me 69 that you were happy enough for Phil Spencer to handle all our player buying and selling. He was not a director or an employee. He just took £600,000 / ££750,000 in fees over 2 years.[/p][/quote]Wasn't happy with many aspects of the PDC circus, especially Spencer's role, which made no sense. Too wrongs don't make a right. I am very curious as to why the FL is taking so long to approve LP. Isn't Sam curious too?[/p][/quote]Think I may have missed the point here, but unless LP is a listed Director, or owner of the club, why does he need football League approval ? stfcphil

2:19pm Wed 3 Jul 13

Old-Stager, Hilperton says...

Bassett Hound wrote:
Pewsham Red wrote:
Old-Stager, Hilperton wrote:
Ossie90 wrote:
The Town End wrote:
mandrossian wrote:
This is a real coup. Big congrats to Jed and co. Don't expect many comments on this thread today as there's nothing to complain about...
Dunno, this thread could be full of idiots like you who have nothing better to do than moan about the moaners and fans that are genuinely concerned about which direction the club is going?...Right I'm off to happy clap and bury my head back in the sand, adios
Unfortunately they wont realise until its too late......!
It is frustrating to see the easy ride they are getting.
But of course we are all wrong about this board and their motives.
Paul Baker of Cheltenham is one of the most respected Chairmen in the Football League..... He was probably wrong about them too....... ;)
At least when he does go to Luton, he'll have a few more million to invest than when he came here.... ;)
Paul Baker of Cheltenham is one of the most respected Chairman in the Football League ?
Do you think you could clarify that claim Ossie90 ?
I thought the same thing Old Stager. Obviously Ossie knows something we don't, as I have no idea whether this guy is respected or not.

Either that or it is another attempt to add the flimsiest of weight to a non-existent issue as there is currently no actual evidence.

You going to the Spurs game?
Paul Baker wanted to keep 51% of Cheltenham but Jed and Co wanted control. It's as simple as that. I dont blame Jed at all. Talk of Paul Baker not trusting them is rubbish. I don't know we're this idea that he is well respected comes from. Seems to me more spin to show Jed in a bad light.
So, is this the same Paul Baker that decided to open his mouth and go public, to bad mouth Jed & Co in the midst of the take-over from Andrew Black ?
If he had previously chosen not to permit Jed's proposed take-over of Cheltenham Town then that's his business and O,K. by me.
But his unwanted press announcement during Swindon Town's affairs could possibly have scuppered the deal completely and left us with no owners and into administration and a 30 point deduction to boot.
Such a respected Chairman......
[quote][p][bold]Bassett Hound[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Pewsham Red[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Old-Stager, Hilperton[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ossie90[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Town End[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mandrossian[/bold] wrote: This is a real coup. Big congrats to Jed and co. Don't expect many comments on this thread today as there's nothing to complain about...[/p][/quote]Dunno, this thread could be full of idiots like you who have nothing better to do than moan about the moaners and fans that are genuinely concerned about which direction the club is going?...Right I'm off to happy clap and bury my head back in the sand, adios[/p][/quote]Unfortunately they wont realise until its too late......! It is frustrating to see the easy ride they are getting. But of course we are all wrong about this board and their motives. Paul Baker of Cheltenham is one of the most respected Chairmen in the Football League..... He was probably wrong about them too....... ;) At least when he does go to Luton, he'll have a few more million to invest than when he came here.... ;)[/p][/quote]Paul Baker of Cheltenham is one of the most respected Chairman in the Football League ? Do you think you could clarify that claim Ossie90 ?[/p][/quote]I thought the same thing Old Stager. Obviously Ossie knows something we don't, as I have no idea whether this guy is respected or not. Either that or it is another attempt to add the flimsiest of weight to a non-existent issue as there is currently no actual evidence. You going to the Spurs game?[/p][/quote]Paul Baker wanted to keep 51% of Cheltenham but Jed and Co wanted control. It's as simple as that. I dont blame Jed at all. Talk of Paul Baker not trusting them is rubbish. I don't know we're this idea that he is well respected comes from. Seems to me more spin to show Jed in a bad light.[/p][/quote]So, is this the same Paul Baker that decided to open his mouth and go public, to bad mouth Jed & Co in the midst of the take-over from Andrew Black ? If he had previously chosen not to permit Jed's proposed take-over of Cheltenham Town then that's his business and O,K. by me. But his unwanted press announcement during Swindon Town's affairs could possibly have scuppered the deal completely and left us with no owners and into administration and a 30 point deduction to boot. Such a respected Chairman...... Old-Stager, Hilperton

2:20pm Wed 3 Jul 13

1969andallthat says...

stfcphil wrote:
1969andallthat wrote:
Bassett Hound wrote:
1969andallthat wrote:
Pewsham Red wrote:
Old-Stager, Hilperton wrote:
Ossie90 wrote:
The Town End wrote:
mandrossian wrote: This is a real coup. Big congrats to Jed and co. Don't expect many comments on this thread today as there's nothing to complain about...
Dunno, this thread could be full of idiots like you who have nothing better to do than moan about the moaners and fans that are genuinely concerned about which direction the club is going?...Right I'm off to happy clap and bury my head back in the sand, adios
Unfortunately they wont realise until its too late......! It is frustrating to see the easy ride they are getting. But of course we are all wrong about this board and their motives. Paul Baker of Cheltenham is one of the most respected Chairmen in the Football League..... He was probably wrong about them too....... ;) At least when he does go to Luton, he'll have a few more million to invest than when he came here.... ;)
Paul Baker of Cheltenham is one of the most respected Chairman in the Football League ? Do you think you could clarify that claim Ossie90 ?
I thought the same thing Old Stager. Obviously Ossie knows something we don't, as I have no idea whether this guy is respected or not. Either that or it is another attempt to add the flimsiest of weight to a non-existent issue as there is currently no actual evidence. You going to the Spurs game?
At the very least, Paul Baker has been approved by the FL to be a "fit and proper" person to be a football club director. There is, of course, no evidence that the league have deemed Lee Power, who seems to be running the club's playing affairs, to be worthy of this status. I am sure that the Adver and Sam Morshead will enlighten us as to the progress of LP's application when they can find time between all the non-stories. Or have Jed and LP instructed SM not to follow this up?
Seems to me 69 that you were happy enough for Phil Spencer to handle all our player buying and selling. He was not a director or an employee. He just took £600,000 / ££750,000 in fees over 2 years.
Wasn't happy with many aspects of the PDC circus, especially Spencer's role, which made no sense. Too wrongs don't make a right. I am very curious as to why the FL is taking so long to approve LP. Isn't Sam curious too?
Think I may have missed the point here, but unless LP is a listed Director, or owner of the club, why does he need football League approval ?
The Adver reported that LP had applied to the Football League to be a director of STFC (indeed, he was listed as a director of the club in a match day programme last season) and that he was subject to the "fit and proper" persons test.

I think it will say a lot about him if he does not past this test. And it says even more about Sam and his sycophantic (scared maybe?) relationship with the current board that he doesn't keep us updated.
[quote][p][bold]stfcphil[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]1969andallthat[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Bassett Hound[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]1969andallthat[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Pewsham Red[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Old-Stager, Hilperton[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ossie90[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Town End[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mandrossian[/bold] wrote: This is a real coup. Big congrats to Jed and co. Don't expect many comments on this thread today as there's nothing to complain about...[/p][/quote]Dunno, this thread could be full of idiots like you who have nothing better to do than moan about the moaners and fans that are genuinely concerned about which direction the club is going?...Right I'm off to happy clap and bury my head back in the sand, adios[/p][/quote]Unfortunately they wont realise until its too late......! It is frustrating to see the easy ride they are getting. But of course we are all wrong about this board and their motives. Paul Baker of Cheltenham is one of the most respected Chairmen in the Football League..... He was probably wrong about them too....... ;) At least when he does go to Luton, he'll have a few more million to invest than when he came here.... ;)[/p][/quote]Paul Baker of Cheltenham is one of the most respected Chairman in the Football League ? Do you think you could clarify that claim Ossie90 ?[/p][/quote]I thought the same thing Old Stager. Obviously Ossie knows something we don't, as I have no idea whether this guy is respected or not. Either that or it is another attempt to add the flimsiest of weight to a non-existent issue as there is currently no actual evidence. You going to the Spurs game?[/p][/quote]At the very least, Paul Baker has been approved by the FL to be a "fit and proper" person to be a football club director. There is, of course, no evidence that the league have deemed Lee Power, who seems to be running the club's playing affairs, to be worthy of this status. I am sure that the Adver and Sam Morshead will enlighten us as to the progress of LP's application when they can find time between all the non-stories. Or have Jed and LP instructed SM not to follow this up?[/p][/quote]Seems to me 69 that you were happy enough for Phil Spencer to handle all our player buying and selling. He was not a director or an employee. He just took £600,000 / ££750,000 in fees over 2 years.[/p][/quote]Wasn't happy with many aspects of the PDC circus, especially Spencer's role, which made no sense. Too wrongs don't make a right. I am very curious as to why the FL is taking so long to approve LP. Isn't Sam curious too?[/p][/quote]Think I may have missed the point here, but unless LP is a listed Director, or owner of the club, why does he need football League approval ?[/p][/quote]The Adver reported that LP had applied to the Football League to be a director of STFC (indeed, he was listed as a director of the club in a match day programme last season) and that he was subject to the "fit and proper" persons test. I think it will say a lot about him if he does not past this test. And it says even more about Sam and his sycophantic (scared maybe?) relationship with the current board that he doesn't keep us updated. 1969andallthat

2:23pm Wed 3 Jul 13

Oi Den! says...

Bassett Hound wrote:
Pewsham Red wrote:
Old-Stager, Hilperton wrote:
Ossie90 wrote:
The Town End wrote:
mandrossian wrote:
This is a real coup. Big congrats to Jed and co. Don't expect many comments on this thread today as there's nothing to complain about...
Dunno, this thread could be full of idiots like you who have nothing better to do than moan about the moaners and fans that are genuinely concerned about which direction the club is going?...Right I'm off to happy clap and bury my head back in the sand, adios
Unfortunately they wont realise until its too late......!
It is frustrating to see the easy ride they are getting.
But of course we are all wrong about this board and their motives.
Paul Baker of Cheltenham is one of the most respected Chairmen in the Football League..... He was probably wrong about them too....... ;)
At least when he does go to Luton, he'll have a few more million to invest than when he came here.... ;)
Paul Baker of Cheltenham is one of the most respected Chairman in the Football League ?
Do you think you could clarify that claim Ossie90 ?
I thought the same thing Old Stager. Obviously Ossie knows something we don't, as I have no idea whether this guy is respected or not.

Either that or it is another attempt to add the flimsiest of weight to a non-existent issue as there is currently no actual evidence.

You going to the Spurs game?
Paul Baker wanted to keep 51% of Cheltenham but Jed and Co wanted control. It's as simple as that. I dont blame Jed at all. Talk of Paul Baker not trusting them is rubbish. I don't know we're this idea that he is well respected comes from. Seems to me more spin to show Jed in a bad light.
This what Baker said:

"We did have an approach from the consortium who are now at Swindon, but we weren't convinced and you have to be very careful. You have to be very thorough with your due diligence and the fact they want to become the controlling stake holders was a problem."

Whether Town fans are right or wrong in their assessment of McCrory and his associates, I don't think there's much doubt that Baker was highly suspicious of them. His words show a concern about these people in particular taking over his club - not about a takeover in itself.
[quote][p][bold]Bassett Hound[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Pewsham Red[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Old-Stager, Hilperton[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ossie90[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Town End[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mandrossian[/bold] wrote: This is a real coup. Big congrats to Jed and co. Don't expect many comments on this thread today as there's nothing to complain about...[/p][/quote]Dunno, this thread could be full of idiots like you who have nothing better to do than moan about the moaners and fans that are genuinely concerned about which direction the club is going?...Right I'm off to happy clap and bury my head back in the sand, adios[/p][/quote]Unfortunately they wont realise until its too late......! It is frustrating to see the easy ride they are getting. But of course we are all wrong about this board and their motives. Paul Baker of Cheltenham is one of the most respected Chairmen in the Football League..... He was probably wrong about them too....... ;) At least when he does go to Luton, he'll have a few more million to invest than when he came here.... ;)[/p][/quote]Paul Baker of Cheltenham is one of the most respected Chairman in the Football League ? Do you think you could clarify that claim Ossie90 ?[/p][/quote]I thought the same thing Old Stager. Obviously Ossie knows something we don't, as I have no idea whether this guy is respected or not. Either that or it is another attempt to add the flimsiest of weight to a non-existent issue as there is currently no actual evidence. You going to the Spurs game?[/p][/quote]Paul Baker wanted to keep 51% of Cheltenham but Jed and Co wanted control. It's as simple as that. I dont blame Jed at all. Talk of Paul Baker not trusting them is rubbish. I don't know we're this idea that he is well respected comes from. Seems to me more spin to show Jed in a bad light.[/p][/quote]This what Baker said: "We did have an approach from the consortium who are now at Swindon, but we weren't convinced and you have to be very careful. You have to be very thorough with your due diligence and the fact they want to become the controlling stake holders was a problem." Whether Town fans are right or wrong in their assessment of McCrory and his associates, I don't think there's much doubt that Baker was highly suspicious of them. His words show a concern about these people in particular taking over his club - not about a takeover in itself. Oi Den!

2:35pm Wed 3 Jul 13

Oi Den! says...

Old-Stager, Hilperton wrote:
Bassett Hound wrote:
Pewsham Red wrote:
Old-Stager, Hilperton wrote:
Ossie90 wrote:
The Town End wrote:
mandrossian wrote:
This is a real coup. Big congrats to Jed and co. Don't expect many comments on this thread today as there's nothing to complain about...
Dunno, this thread could be full of idiots like you who have nothing better to do than moan about the moaners and fans that are genuinely concerned about which direction the club is going?...Right I'm off to happy clap and bury my head back in the sand, adios
Unfortunately they wont realise until its too late......!
It is frustrating to see the easy ride they are getting.
But of course we are all wrong about this board and their motives.
Paul Baker of Cheltenham is one of the most respected Chairmen in the Football League..... He was probably wrong about them too....... ;)
At least when he does go to Luton, he'll have a few more million to invest than when he came here.... ;)
Paul Baker of Cheltenham is one of the most respected Chairman in the Football League ?
Do you think you could clarify that claim Ossie90 ?
I thought the same thing Old Stager. Obviously Ossie knows something we don't, as I have no idea whether this guy is respected or not.

Either that or it is another attempt to add the flimsiest of weight to a non-existent issue as there is currently no actual evidence.

You going to the Spurs game?
Paul Baker wanted to keep 51% of Cheltenham but Jed and Co wanted control. It's as simple as that. I dont blame Jed at all. Talk of Paul Baker not trusting them is rubbish. I don't know we're this idea that he is well respected comes from. Seems to me more spin to show Jed in a bad light.
So, is this the same Paul Baker that decided to open his mouth and go public, to bad mouth Jed & Co in the midst of the take-over from Andrew Black ?
If he had previously chosen not to permit Jed's proposed take-over of Cheltenham Town then that's his business and O,K. by me.
But his unwanted press announcement during Swindon Town's affairs could possibly have scuppered the deal completely and left us with no owners and into administration and a 30 point deduction to boot.
Such a respected Chairman......
Baker was obviously asked about the approach and he answered it honestly. Some people just seem to find it easier than others to answer straight questions with straight answers.
[quote][p][bold]Old-Stager, Hilperton[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Bassett Hound[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Pewsham Red[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Old-Stager, Hilperton[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ossie90[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Town End[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mandrossian[/bold] wrote: This is a real coup. Big congrats to Jed and co. Don't expect many comments on this thread today as there's nothing to complain about...[/p][/quote]Dunno, this thread could be full of idiots like you who have nothing better to do than moan about the moaners and fans that are genuinely concerned about which direction the club is going?...Right I'm off to happy clap and bury my head back in the sand, adios[/p][/quote]Unfortunately they wont realise until its too late......! It is frustrating to see the easy ride they are getting. But of course we are all wrong about this board and their motives. Paul Baker of Cheltenham is one of the most respected Chairmen in the Football League..... He was probably wrong about them too....... ;) At least when he does go to Luton, he'll have a few more million to invest than when he came here.... ;)[/p][/quote]Paul Baker of Cheltenham is one of the most respected Chairman in the Football League ? Do you think you could clarify that claim Ossie90 ?[/p][/quote]I thought the same thing Old Stager. Obviously Ossie knows something we don't, as I have no idea whether this guy is respected or not. Either that or it is another attempt to add the flimsiest of weight to a non-existent issue as there is currently no actual evidence. You going to the Spurs game?[/p][/quote]Paul Baker wanted to keep 51% of Cheltenham but Jed and Co wanted control. It's as simple as that. I dont blame Jed at all. Talk of Paul Baker not trusting them is rubbish. I don't know we're this idea that he is well respected comes from. Seems to me more spin to show Jed in a bad light.[/p][/quote]So, is this the same Paul Baker that decided to open his mouth and go public, to bad mouth Jed & Co in the midst of the take-over from Andrew Black ? If he had previously chosen not to permit Jed's proposed take-over of Cheltenham Town then that's his business and O,K. by me. But his unwanted press announcement during Swindon Town's affairs could possibly have scuppered the deal completely and left us with no owners and into administration and a 30 point deduction to boot. Such a respected Chairman......[/p][/quote]Baker was obviously asked about the approach and he answered it honestly. Some people just seem to find it easier than others to answer straight questions with straight answers. Oi Den!

2:44pm Wed 3 Jul 13

stfcphil says...

1969andallthat wrote:
stfcphil wrote:
1969andallthat wrote:
Bassett Hound wrote:
1969andallthat wrote:
Pewsham Red wrote:
Old-Stager, Hilperton wrote:
Ossie90 wrote:
The Town End wrote:
mandrossian wrote: This is a real coup. Big congrats to Jed and co. Don't expect many comments on this thread today as there's nothing to complain about...
Dunno, this thread could be full of idiots like you who have nothing better to do than moan about the moaners and fans that are genuinely concerned about which direction the club is going?...Right I'm off to happy clap and bury my head back in the sand, adios
Unfortunately they wont realise until its too late......! It is frustrating to see the easy ride they are getting. But of course we are all wrong about this board and their motives. Paul Baker of Cheltenham is one of the most respected Chairmen in the Football League..... He was probably wrong about them too....... ;) At least when he does go to Luton, he'll have a few more million to invest than when he came here.... ;)
Paul Baker of Cheltenham is one of the most respected Chairman in the Football League ? Do you think you could clarify that claim Ossie90 ?
I thought the same thing Old Stager. Obviously Ossie knows something we don't, as I have no idea whether this guy is respected or not. Either that or it is another attempt to add the flimsiest of weight to a non-existent issue as there is currently no actual evidence. You going to the Spurs game?
At the very least, Paul Baker has been approved by the FL to be a "fit and proper" person to be a football club director. There is, of course, no evidence that the league have deemed Lee Power, who seems to be running the club's playing affairs, to be worthy of this status. I am sure that the Adver and Sam Morshead will enlighten us as to the progress of LP's application when they can find time between all the non-stories. Or have Jed and LP instructed SM not to follow this up?
Seems to me 69 that you were happy enough for Phil Spencer to handle all our player buying and selling. He was not a director or an employee. He just took £600,000 / ££750,000 in fees over 2 years.
Wasn't happy with many aspects of the PDC circus, especially Spencer's role, which made no sense. Too wrongs don't make a right. I am very curious as to why the FL is taking so long to approve LP. Isn't Sam curious too?
Think I may have missed the point here, but unless LP is a listed Director, or owner of the club, why does he need football League approval ?
The Adver reported that LP had applied to the Football League to be a director of STFC (indeed, he was listed as a director of the club in a match day programme last season) and that he was subject to the "fit and proper" persons test. I think it will say a lot about him if he does not past this test. And it says even more about Sam and his sycophantic (scared maybe?) relationship with the current board that he doesn't keep us updated.
Surprised you give so much creedence to this test, as Jed and Steve Murrall both passed it, but you don't seem willing to recognise that !!
[quote][p][bold]1969andallthat[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]stfcphil[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]1969andallthat[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Bassett Hound[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]1969andallthat[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Pewsham Red[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Old-Stager, Hilperton[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ossie90[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Town End[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mandrossian[/bold] wrote: This is a real coup. Big congrats to Jed and co. Don't expect many comments on this thread today as there's nothing to complain about...[/p][/quote]Dunno, this thread could be full of idiots like you who have nothing better to do than moan about the moaners and fans that are genuinely concerned about which direction the club is going?...Right I'm off to happy clap and bury my head back in the sand, adios[/p][/quote]Unfortunately they wont realise until its too late......! It is frustrating to see the easy ride they are getting. But of course we are all wrong about this board and their motives. Paul Baker of Cheltenham is one of the most respected Chairmen in the Football League..... He was probably wrong about them too....... ;) At least when he does go to Luton, he'll have a few more million to invest than when he came here.... ;)[/p][/quote]Paul Baker of Cheltenham is one of the most respected Chairman in the Football League ? Do you think you could clarify that claim Ossie90 ?[/p][/quote]I thought the same thing Old Stager. Obviously Ossie knows something we don't, as I have no idea whether this guy is respected or not. Either that or it is another attempt to add the flimsiest of weight to a non-existent issue as there is currently no actual evidence. You going to the Spurs game?[/p][/quote]At the very least, Paul Baker has been approved by the FL to be a "fit and proper" person to be a football club director. There is, of course, no evidence that the league have deemed Lee Power, who seems to be running the club's playing affairs, to be worthy of this status. I am sure that the Adver and Sam Morshead will enlighten us as to the progress of LP's application when they can find time between all the non-stories. Or have Jed and LP instructed SM not to follow this up?[/p][/quote]Seems to me 69 that you were happy enough for Phil Spencer to handle all our player buying and selling. He was not a director or an employee. He just took £600,000 / ££750,000 in fees over 2 years.[/p][/quote]Wasn't happy with many aspects of the PDC circus, especially Spencer's role, which made no sense. Too wrongs don't make a right. I am very curious as to why the FL is taking so long to approve LP. Isn't Sam curious too?[/p][/quote]Think I may have missed the point here, but unless LP is a listed Director, or owner of the club, why does he need football League approval ?[/p][/quote]The Adver reported that LP had applied to the Football League to be a director of STFC (indeed, he was listed as a director of the club in a match day programme last season) and that he was subject to the "fit and proper" persons test. I think it will say a lot about him if he does not past this test. And it says even more about Sam and his sycophantic (scared maybe?) relationship with the current board that he doesn't keep us updated.[/p][/quote]Surprised you give so much creedence to this test, as Jed and Steve Murrall both passed it, but you don't seem willing to recognise that !! stfcphil

3:34pm Wed 3 Jul 13

Pewsham Red says...

1969andallthat wrote:
Pewsham Red wrote:
Old-Stager, Hilperton wrote:
Ossie90 wrote:
The Town End wrote:
mandrossian wrote: This is a real coup. Big congrats to Jed and co. Don't expect many comments on this thread today as there's nothing to complain about...
Dunno, this thread could be full of idiots like you who have nothing better to do than moan about the moaners and fans that are genuinely concerned about which direction the club is going?...Right I'm off to happy clap and bury my head back in the sand, adios
Unfortunately they wont realise until its too late......! It is frustrating to see the easy ride they are getting. But of course we are all wrong about this board and their motives. Paul Baker of Cheltenham is one of the most respected Chairmen in the Football League..... He was probably wrong about them too....... ;) At least when he does go to Luton, he'll have a few more million to invest than when he came here.... ;)
Paul Baker of Cheltenham is one of the most respected Chairman in the Football League ? Do you think you could clarify that claim Ossie90 ?
I thought the same thing Old Stager. Obviously Ossie knows something we don't, as I have no idea whether this guy is respected or not. Either that or it is another attempt to add the flimsiest of weight to a non-existent issue as there is currently no actual evidence. You going to the Spurs game?
At the very least, Paul Baker has been approved by the FL to be a "fit and proper" person to be a football club director. There is, of course, no evidence that the league have deemed Lee Power, who seems to be running the club's playing affairs, to be worthy of this status. I am sure that the Adver and Sam Morshead will enlighten us as to the progress of LP's application when they can find time between all the non-stories. Or have Jed and LP instructed SM not to follow this up?
Paul Baker is Cheltenham chairman and Jed is ours. Both of whom have passed the fit and proper person test and as far as I am aware, Power had nothing to do with the proposed Cheltenham take over.

Stop chucking in this Power red herring as it has nothing to do with the debate, despite it clearly being a hobby horse of yours.
[quote][p][bold]1969andallthat[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Pewsham Red[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Old-Stager, Hilperton[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ossie90[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Town End[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mandrossian[/bold] wrote: This is a real coup. Big congrats to Jed and co. Don't expect many comments on this thread today as there's nothing to complain about...[/p][/quote]Dunno, this thread could be full of idiots like you who have nothing better to do than moan about the moaners and fans that are genuinely concerned about which direction the club is going?...Right I'm off to happy clap and bury my head back in the sand, adios[/p][/quote]Unfortunately they wont realise until its too late......! It is frustrating to see the easy ride they are getting. But of course we are all wrong about this board and their motives. Paul Baker of Cheltenham is one of the most respected Chairmen in the Football League..... He was probably wrong about them too....... ;) At least when he does go to Luton, he'll have a few more million to invest than when he came here.... ;)[/p][/quote]Paul Baker of Cheltenham is one of the most respected Chairman in the Football League ? Do you think you could clarify that claim Ossie90 ?[/p][/quote]I thought the same thing Old Stager. Obviously Ossie knows something we don't, as I have no idea whether this guy is respected or not. Either that or it is another attempt to add the flimsiest of weight to a non-existent issue as there is currently no actual evidence. You going to the Spurs game?[/p][/quote]At the very least, Paul Baker has been approved by the FL to be a "fit and proper" person to be a football club director. There is, of course, no evidence that the league have deemed Lee Power, who seems to be running the club's playing affairs, to be worthy of this status. I am sure that the Adver and Sam Morshead will enlighten us as to the progress of LP's application when they can find time between all the non-stories. Or have Jed and LP instructed SM not to follow this up?[/p][/quote]Paul Baker is Cheltenham chairman and Jed is ours. Both of whom have passed the fit and proper person test and as far as I am aware, Power had nothing to do with the proposed Cheltenham take over. Stop chucking in this Power red herring as it has nothing to do with the debate, despite it clearly being a hobby horse of yours. Pewsham Red

3:37pm Wed 3 Jul 13

Pewsham Red says...

Oi Den! wrote:
Bassett Hound wrote:
Pewsham Red wrote:
Old-Stager, Hilperton wrote:
Ossie90 wrote:
The Town End wrote:
mandrossian wrote: This is a real coup. Big congrats to Jed and co. Don't expect many comments on this thread today as there's nothing to complain about...
Dunno, this thread could be full of idiots like you who have nothing better to do than moan about the moaners and fans that are genuinely concerned about which direction the club is going?...Right I'm off to happy clap and bury my head back in the sand, adios
Unfortunately they wont realise until its too late......! It is frustrating to see the easy ride they are getting. But of course we are all wrong about this board and their motives. Paul Baker of Cheltenham is one of the most respected Chairmen in the Football League..... He was probably wrong about them too....... ;) At least when he does go to Luton, he'll have a few more million to invest than when he came here.... ;)
Paul Baker of Cheltenham is one of the most respected Chairman in the Football League ? Do you think you could clarify that claim Ossie90 ?
I thought the same thing Old Stager. Obviously Ossie knows something we don't, as I have no idea whether this guy is respected or not. Either that or it is another attempt to add the flimsiest of weight to a non-existent issue as there is currently no actual evidence. You going to the Spurs game?
Paul Baker wanted to keep 51% of Cheltenham but Jed and Co wanted control. It's as simple as that. I dont blame Jed at all. Talk of Paul Baker not trusting them is rubbish. I don't know we're this idea that he is well respected comes from. Seems to me more spin to show Jed in a bad light.
This what Baker said: "We did have an approach from the consortium who are now at Swindon, but we weren't convinced and you have to be very careful. You have to be very thorough with your due diligence and the fact they want to become the controlling stake holders was a problem." Whether Town fans are right or wrong in their assessment of McCrory and his associates, I don't think there's much doubt that Baker was highly suspicious of them. His words show a concern about these people in particular taking over his club - not about a takeover in itself.
That is as maybe Den, but Jed did pass the fit and proper persons test and whilst Paul Baker sounds a decent chap it is a bit of a leap to suggest he is 'one of the most respected chairmen in the football league'.
[quote][p][bold]Oi Den![/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Bassett Hound[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Pewsham Red[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Old-Stager, Hilperton[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ossie90[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Town End[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mandrossian[/bold] wrote: This is a real coup. Big congrats to Jed and co. Don't expect many comments on this thread today as there's nothing to complain about...[/p][/quote]Dunno, this thread could be full of idiots like you who have nothing better to do than moan about the moaners and fans that are genuinely concerned about which direction the club is going?...Right I'm off to happy clap and bury my head back in the sand, adios[/p][/quote]Unfortunately they wont realise until its too late......! It is frustrating to see the easy ride they are getting. But of course we are all wrong about this board and their motives. Paul Baker of Cheltenham is one of the most respected Chairmen in the Football League..... He was probably wrong about them too....... ;) At least when he does go to Luton, he'll have a few more million to invest than when he came here.... ;)[/p][/quote]Paul Baker of Cheltenham is one of the most respected Chairman in the Football League ? Do you think you could clarify that claim Ossie90 ?[/p][/quote]I thought the same thing Old Stager. Obviously Ossie knows something we don't, as I have no idea whether this guy is respected or not. Either that or it is another attempt to add the flimsiest of weight to a non-existent issue as there is currently no actual evidence. You going to the Spurs game?[/p][/quote]Paul Baker wanted to keep 51% of Cheltenham but Jed and Co wanted control. It's as simple as that. I dont blame Jed at all. Talk of Paul Baker not trusting them is rubbish. I don't know we're this idea that he is well respected comes from. Seems to me more spin to show Jed in a bad light.[/p][/quote]This what Baker said: "We did have an approach from the consortium who are now at Swindon, but we weren't convinced and you have to be very careful. You have to be very thorough with your due diligence and the fact they want to become the controlling stake holders was a problem." Whether Town fans are right or wrong in their assessment of McCrory and his associates, I don't think there's much doubt that Baker was highly suspicious of them. His words show a concern about these people in particular taking over his club - not about a takeover in itself.[/p][/quote]That is as maybe Den, but Jed did pass the fit and proper persons test and whilst Paul Baker sounds a decent chap it is a bit of a leap to suggest he is 'one of the most respected chairmen in the football league'. Pewsham Red

4:15pm Wed 3 Jul 13

old town robin says...

Bassett Hound wrote:
Pewsham Red wrote:
Old-Stager, Hilperton wrote:
Ossie90 wrote:
The Town End wrote:
mandrossian wrote:
This is a real coup. Big congrats to Jed and co. Don't expect many comments on this thread today as there's nothing to complain about...
Dunno, this thread could be full of idiots like you who have nothing better to do than moan about the moaners and fans that are genuinely concerned about which direction the club is going?...Right I'm off to happy clap and bury my head back in the sand, adios
Unfortunately they wont realise until its too late......!
It is frustrating to see the easy ride they are getting.
But of course we are all wrong about this board and their motives.
Paul Baker of Cheltenham is one of the most respected Chairmen in the Football League..... He was probably wrong about them too....... ;)
At least when he does go to Luton, he'll have a few more million to invest than when he came here.... ;)
Paul Baker of Cheltenham is one of the most respected Chairman in the Football League ?
Do you think you could clarify that claim Ossie90 ?
I thought the same thing Old Stager. Obviously Ossie knows something we don't, as I have no idea whether this guy is respected or not.

Either that or it is another attempt to add the flimsiest of weight to a non-existent issue as there is currently no actual evidence.

You going to the Spurs game?
Paul Baker wanted to keep 51% of Cheltenham but Jed and Co wanted control. It's as simple as that. I dont blame Jed at all. Talk of Paul Baker not trusting them is rubbish. I don't know we're this idea that he is well respected comes from. Seems to me more spin to show Jed in a bad light.
Would be interesting to know how Jethro thinks he was going to finance his controlling share of Cheltenham.
[quote][p][bold]Bassett Hound[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Pewsham Red[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Old-Stager, Hilperton[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ossie90[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Town End[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mandrossian[/bold] wrote: This is a real coup. Big congrats to Jed and co. Don't expect many comments on this thread today as there's nothing to complain about...[/p][/quote]Dunno, this thread could be full of idiots like you who have nothing better to do than moan about the moaners and fans that are genuinely concerned about which direction the club is going?...Right I'm off to happy clap and bury my head back in the sand, adios[/p][/quote]Unfortunately they wont realise until its too late......! It is frustrating to see the easy ride they are getting. But of course we are all wrong about this board and their motives. Paul Baker of Cheltenham is one of the most respected Chairmen in the Football League..... He was probably wrong about them too....... ;) At least when he does go to Luton, he'll have a few more million to invest than when he came here.... ;)[/p][/quote]Paul Baker of Cheltenham is one of the most respected Chairman in the Football League ? Do you think you could clarify that claim Ossie90 ?[/p][/quote]I thought the same thing Old Stager. Obviously Ossie knows something we don't, as I have no idea whether this guy is respected or not. Either that or it is another attempt to add the flimsiest of weight to a non-existent issue as there is currently no actual evidence. You going to the Spurs game?[/p][/quote]Paul Baker wanted to keep 51% of Cheltenham but Jed and Co wanted control. It's as simple as that. I dont blame Jed at all. Talk of Paul Baker not trusting them is rubbish. I don't know we're this idea that he is well respected comes from. Seems to me more spin to show Jed in a bad light.[/p][/quote]Would be interesting to know how Jethro thinks he was going to finance his controlling share of Cheltenham. old town robin

4:22pm Wed 3 Jul 13

the wizard says...

Pewsham Red wrote:
Oi Den! wrote:
Bassett Hound wrote:
Pewsham Red wrote:
Old-Stager, Hilperton wrote:
Ossie90 wrote:
The Town End wrote:
mandrossian wrote: This is a real coup. Big congrats to Jed and co. Don't expect many comments on this thread today as there's nothing to complain about...
Dunno, this thread could be full of idiots like you who have nothing better to do than moan about the moaners and fans that are genuinely concerned about which direction the club is going?...Right I'm off to happy clap and bury my head back in the sand, adios
Unfortunately they wont realise until its too late......! It is frustrating to see the easy ride they are getting. But of course we are all wrong about this board and their motives. Paul Baker of Cheltenham is one of the most respected Chairmen in the Football League..... He was probably wrong about them too....... ;) At least when he does go to Luton, he'll have a few more million to invest than when he came here.... ;)
Paul Baker of Cheltenham is one of the most respected Chairman in the Football League ? Do you think you could clarify that claim Ossie90 ?
I thought the same thing Old Stager. Obviously Ossie knows something we don't, as I have no idea whether this guy is respected or not. Either that or it is another attempt to add the flimsiest of weight to a non-existent issue as there is currently no actual evidence. You going to the Spurs game?
Paul Baker wanted to keep 51% of Cheltenham but Jed and Co wanted control. It's as simple as that. I dont blame Jed at all. Talk of Paul Baker not trusting them is rubbish. I don't know we're this idea that he is well respected comes from. Seems to me more spin to show Jed in a bad light.
This what Baker said: "We did have an approach from the consortium who are now at Swindon, but we weren't convinced and you have to be very careful. You have to be very thorough with your due diligence and the fact they want to become the controlling stake holders was a problem." Whether Town fans are right or wrong in their assessment of McCrory and his associates, I don't think there's much doubt that Baker was highly suspicious of them. His words show a concern about these people in particular taking over his club - not about a takeover in itself.
That is as maybe Den, but Jed did pass the fit and proper persons test and whilst Paul Baker sounds a decent chap it is a bit of a leap to suggest he is 'one of the most respected chairmen in the football league'.
Hi Chaps. I have to declare my hand and say that I was not totally convinced by Jed & Co. A while back I decided to have a step back from all of this and get my head clear of all the issues surrounding the take over, Black leaving, the Ritchie sale and all the other stuff that went on over a period of weeks.
You can call it withdrawal symptoms or what ever. Gone was the pot of dosh in the form of Black, gone was the reckless spending that was PDC and Wray and thankfully gone was Patey and they manfully took the majority of debt with them.

In their place has come in Jed. Shrewd, perhaps a bit hard nosed, and really has correctly said, "Oi !!! you cannot have your cake and eat it, this business must be run within its means", in not so many words. Now, there is nothing wrong with that, in fact he is quite right.
On the field, we had a nucleus of well paid players that frankly we could not sustain. Secondly, apart from the departed Ritchie, many of them were good, but not outstanding. The side was not balanced, nor over capable, and only performed to its full potential with expensive loan players like Hollands included in it.
I cannot see any "asset stripping". If there was "asset stripping" or laundering more players would have been sold and players of far less standing from clubs lower in the league than Spurs put in their place.
Contracts have been signed with Catering and Pitch maintenance companies, and of course the pop concerts are another revenue steam .
Jed may well sell the club on and make some money out of it, but it has to be a sell able entity first. As it was before only somebody prepared to make hard nosed decisions was going to take it on. Maybe they haven't put so much money in, but they have stabilized the club and given it a future. I'm going to wait and judge at the end of this coming season, as only time will reveal ALL the answers. I think the time has long gone for all the back biting to stop. We should all now get behind Chairman, manager, club and players and see what good support can do for this next season. Unless anyone has tangible proof of wrong doing, its time to move on, or you will get consumed by it all. Pompey and Aldershot are prime examples of where we do not want to be going. I think Jed has prevented that, all be by the skin of our teeth, lets be grateful for what we have.
[quote][p][bold]Pewsham Red[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Oi Den![/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Bassett Hound[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Pewsham Red[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Old-Stager, Hilperton[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ossie90[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Town End[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mandrossian[/bold] wrote: This is a real coup. Big congrats to Jed and co. Don't expect many comments on this thread today as there's nothing to complain about...[/p][/quote]Dunno, this thread could be full of idiots like you who have nothing better to do than moan about the moaners and fans that are genuinely concerned about which direction the club is going?...Right I'm off to happy clap and bury my head back in the sand, adios[/p][/quote]Unfortunately they wont realise until its too late......! It is frustrating to see the easy ride they are getting. But of course we are all wrong about this board and their motives. Paul Baker of Cheltenham is one of the most respected Chairmen in the Football League..... He was probably wrong about them too....... ;) At least when he does go to Luton, he'll have a few more million to invest than when he came here.... ;)[/p][/quote]Paul Baker of Cheltenham is one of the most respected Chairman in the Football League ? Do you think you could clarify that claim Ossie90 ?[/p][/quote]I thought the same thing Old Stager. Obviously Ossie knows something we don't, as I have no idea whether this guy is respected or not. Either that or it is another attempt to add the flimsiest of weight to a non-existent issue as there is currently no actual evidence. You going to the Spurs game?[/p][/quote]Paul Baker wanted to keep 51% of Cheltenham but Jed and Co wanted control. It's as simple as that. I dont blame Jed at all. Talk of Paul Baker not trusting them is rubbish. I don't know we're this idea that he is well respected comes from. Seems to me more spin to show Jed in a bad light.[/p][/quote]This what Baker said: "We did have an approach from the consortium who are now at Swindon, but we weren't convinced and you have to be very careful. You have to be very thorough with your due diligence and the fact they want to become the controlling stake holders was a problem." Whether Town fans are right or wrong in their assessment of McCrory and his associates, I don't think there's much doubt that Baker was highly suspicious of them. His words show a concern about these people in particular taking over his club - not about a takeover in itself.[/p][/quote]That is as maybe Den, but Jed did pass the fit and proper persons test and whilst Paul Baker sounds a decent chap it is a bit of a leap to suggest he is 'one of the most respected chairmen in the football league'.[/p][/quote]Hi Chaps. I have to declare my hand and say that I was not totally convinced by Jed & Co. A while back I decided to have a step back from all of this and get my head clear of all the issues surrounding the take over, Black leaving, the Ritchie sale and all the other stuff that went on over a period of weeks. You can call it withdrawal symptoms or what ever. Gone was the pot of dosh in the form of Black, gone was the reckless spending that was PDC and Wray and thankfully gone was Patey and they manfully took the majority of debt with them. In their place has come in Jed. Shrewd, perhaps a bit hard nosed, and really has correctly said, "Oi !!! you cannot have your cake and eat it, this business must be run within its means", in not so many words. Now, there is nothing wrong with that, in fact he is quite right. On the field, we had a nucleus of well paid players that frankly we could not sustain. Secondly, apart from the departed Ritchie, many of them were good, but not outstanding. The side was not balanced, nor over capable, and only performed to its full potential with expensive loan players like Hollands included in it. I cannot see any "asset stripping". If there was "asset stripping" or laundering more players would have been sold and players of far less standing from clubs lower in the league than Spurs put in their place. Contracts have been signed with Catering and Pitch maintenance companies, and of course the pop concerts are another revenue steam . Jed may well sell the club on and make some money out of it, but it has to be a sell able entity first. As it was before only somebody prepared to make hard nosed decisions was going to take it on. Maybe they haven't put so much money in, but they have stabilized the club and given it a future. I'm going to wait and judge at the end of this coming season, as only time will reveal ALL the answers. I think the time has long gone for all the back biting to stop. We should all now get behind Chairman, manager, club and players and see what good support can do for this next season. Unless anyone has tangible proof of wrong doing, its time to move on, or you will get consumed by it all. Pompey and Aldershot are prime examples of where we do not want to be going. I think Jed has prevented that, all be by the skin of our teeth, lets be grateful for what we have. the wizard

4:53pm Wed 3 Jul 13

jacksdad1 says...

A signing yes but come on who's kidding who if any of those clubs Benfica, West Ham, Tottenham and Stoke were that serious and he really warranted it he would be signing for them........
A signing yes but come on who's kidding who if any of those clubs Benfica, West Ham, Tottenham and Stoke were that serious and he really warranted it he would be signing for them........ jacksdad1

4:58pm Wed 3 Jul 13

Old-Stager, Hilperton says...

the wizard wrote:
Pewsham Red wrote:
Oi Den! wrote:
Bassett Hound wrote:
Pewsham Red wrote:
Old-Stager, Hilperton wrote:
Ossie90 wrote:
The Town End wrote:
mandrossian wrote: This is a real coup. Big congrats to Jed and co. Don't expect many comments on this thread today as there's nothing to complain about...
Dunno, this thread could be full of idiots like you who have nothing better to do than moan about the moaners and fans that are genuinely concerned about which direction the club is going?...Right I'm off to happy clap and bury my head back in the sand, adios
Unfortunately they wont realise until its too late......! It is frustrating to see the easy ride they are getting. But of course we are all wrong about this board and their motives. Paul Baker of Cheltenham is one of the most respected Chairmen in the Football League..... He was probably wrong about them too....... ;) At least when he does go to Luton, he'll have a few more million to invest than when he came here.... ;)
Paul Baker of Cheltenham is one of the most respected Chairman in the Football League ? Do you think you could clarify that claim Ossie90 ?
I thought the same thing Old Stager. Obviously Ossie knows something we don't, as I have no idea whether this guy is respected or not. Either that or it is another attempt to add the flimsiest of weight to a non-existent issue as there is currently no actual evidence. You going to the Spurs game?
Paul Baker wanted to keep 51% of Cheltenham but Jed and Co wanted control. It's as simple as that. I dont blame Jed at all. Talk of Paul Baker not trusting them is rubbish. I don't know we're this idea that he is well respected comes from. Seems to me more spin to show Jed in a bad light.
This what Baker said: "We did have an approach from the consortium who are now at Swindon, but we weren't convinced and you have to be very careful. You have to be very thorough with your due diligence and the fact they want to become the controlling stake holders was a problem." Whether Town fans are right or wrong in their assessment of McCrory and his associates, I don't think there's much doubt that Baker was highly suspicious of them. His words show a concern about these people in particular taking over his club - not about a takeover in itself.
That is as maybe Den, but Jed did pass the fit and proper persons test and whilst Paul Baker sounds a decent chap it is a bit of a leap to suggest he is 'one of the most respected chairmen in the football league'.
Hi Chaps. I have to declare my hand and say that I was not totally convinced by Jed & Co. A while back I decided to have a step back from all of this and get my head clear of all the issues surrounding the take over, Black leaving, the Ritchie sale and all the other stuff that went on over a period of weeks.
You can call it withdrawal symptoms or what ever. Gone was the pot of dosh in the form of Black, gone was the reckless spending that was PDC and Wray and thankfully gone was Patey and they manfully took the majority of debt with them.

In their place has come in Jed. Shrewd, perhaps a bit hard nosed, and really has correctly said, "Oi !!! you cannot have your cake and eat it, this business must be run within its means", in not so many words. Now, there is nothing wrong with that, in fact he is quite right.
On the field, we had a nucleus of well paid players that frankly we could not sustain. Secondly, apart from the departed Ritchie, many of them were good, but not outstanding. The side was not balanced, nor over capable, and only performed to its full potential with expensive loan players like Hollands included in it.
I cannot see any "asset stripping". If there was "asset stripping" or laundering more players would have been sold and players of far less standing from clubs lower in the league than Spurs put in their place.
Contracts have been signed with Catering and Pitch maintenance companies, and of course the pop concerts are another revenue steam .
Jed may well sell the club on and make some money out of it, but it has to be a sell able entity first. As it was before only somebody prepared to make hard nosed decisions was going to take it on. Maybe they haven't put so much money in, but they have stabilized the club and given it a future. I'm going to wait and judge at the end of this coming season, as only time will reveal ALL the answers. I think the time has long gone for all the back biting to stop. We should all now get behind Chairman, manager, club and players and see what good support can do for this next season. Unless anyone has tangible proof of wrong doing, its time to move on, or you will get consumed by it all. Pompey and Aldershot are prime examples of where we do not want to be going. I think Jed has prevented that, all be by the skin of our teeth, lets be grateful for what we have.
Well done wizard....
A good balanced summary of the current situation concerning Jed and the new owners.
[quote][p][bold]the wizard[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Pewsham Red[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Oi Den![/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Bassett Hound[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Pewsham Red[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Old-Stager, Hilperton[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ossie90[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Town End[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mandrossian[/bold] wrote: This is a real coup. Big congrats to Jed and co. Don't expect many comments on this thread today as there's nothing to complain about...[/p][/quote]Dunno, this thread could be full of idiots like you who have nothing better to do than moan about the moaners and fans that are genuinely concerned about which direction the club is going?...Right I'm off to happy clap and bury my head back in the sand, adios[/p][/quote]Unfortunately they wont realise until its too late......! It is frustrating to see the easy ride they are getting. But of course we are all wrong about this board and their motives. Paul Baker of Cheltenham is one of the most respected Chairmen in the Football League..... He was probably wrong about them too....... ;) At least when he does go to Luton, he'll have a few more million to invest than when he came here.... ;)[/p][/quote]Paul Baker of Cheltenham is one of the most respected Chairman in the Football League ? Do you think you could clarify that claim Ossie90 ?[/p][/quote]I thought the same thing Old Stager. Obviously Ossie knows something we don't, as I have no idea whether this guy is respected or not. Either that or it is another attempt to add the flimsiest of weight to a non-existent issue as there is currently no actual evidence. You going to the Spurs game?[/p][/quote]Paul Baker wanted to keep 51% of Cheltenham but Jed and Co wanted control. It's as simple as that. I dont blame Jed at all. Talk of Paul Baker not trusting them is rubbish. I don't know we're this idea that he is well respected comes from. Seems to me more spin to show Jed in a bad light.[/p][/quote]This what Baker said: "We did have an approach from the consortium who are now at Swindon, but we weren't convinced and you have to be very careful. You have to be very thorough with your due diligence and the fact they want to become the controlling stake holders was a problem." Whether Town fans are right or wrong in their assessment of McCrory and his associates, I don't think there's much doubt that Baker was highly suspicious of them. His words show a concern about these people in particular taking over his club - not about a takeover in itself.[/p][/quote]That is as maybe Den, but Jed did pass the fit and proper persons test and whilst Paul Baker sounds a decent chap it is a bit of a leap to suggest he is 'one of the most respected chairmen in the football league'.[/p][/quote]Hi Chaps. I have to declare my hand and say that I was not totally convinced by Jed & Co. A while back I decided to have a step back from all of this and get my head clear of all the issues surrounding the take over, Black leaving, the Ritchie sale and all the other stuff that went on over a period of weeks. You can call it withdrawal symptoms or what ever. Gone was the pot of dosh in the form of Black, gone was the reckless spending that was PDC and Wray and thankfully gone was Patey and they manfully took the majority of debt with them. In their place has come in Jed. Shrewd, perhaps a bit hard nosed, and really has correctly said, "Oi !!! you cannot have your cake and eat it, this business must be run within its means", in not so many words. Now, there is nothing wrong with that, in fact he is quite right. On the field, we had a nucleus of well paid players that frankly we could not sustain. Secondly, apart from the departed Ritchie, many of them were good, but not outstanding. The side was not balanced, nor over capable, and only performed to its full potential with expensive loan players like Hollands included in it. I cannot see any "asset stripping". If there was "asset stripping" or laundering more players would have been sold and players of far less standing from clubs lower in the league than Spurs put in their place. Contracts have been signed with Catering and Pitch maintenance companies, and of course the pop concerts are another revenue steam . Jed may well sell the club on and make some money out of it, but it has to be a sell able entity first. As it was before only somebody prepared to make hard nosed decisions was going to take it on. Maybe they haven't put so much money in, but they have stabilized the club and given it a future. I'm going to wait and judge at the end of this coming season, as only time will reveal ALL the answers. I think the time has long gone for all the back biting to stop. We should all now get behind Chairman, manager, club and players and see what good support can do for this next season. Unless anyone has tangible proof of wrong doing, its time to move on, or you will get consumed by it all. Pompey and Aldershot are prime examples of where we do not want to be going. I think Jed has prevented that, all be by the skin of our teeth, lets be grateful for what we have.[/p][/quote]Well done wizard.... A good balanced summary of the current situation concerning Jed and the new owners. Old-Stager, Hilperton

4:58pm Wed 3 Jul 13

Oi Den! says...

Pewsham and Wiz, just a few more thoughts on this one...

First of all, I was just pointing out that there was obviously more to Baker's concern than simply the possibility of a takeover. Maybe his concern is unfounded but he seems an astute bloke, so I wouldn't dismiss it out of hand. The point is that the owners of a football club, just like its fans, do not need "proof" of anything to be suspicious of it. We all piece together the facts that we know and we form a gut feeling - no proof required.

The Football League are in a very different position. They can't fail a person on the "fit and proper" test just because they have reservations about him. It's clear they did have reservations about the takeover because they placed the club in a transfer embargo, which was somehow lifted at literally the last minute of the transfer window.

Who knows whether the current owners saved the club or not? Time will tell. I think it's a bit drastic to suggest that we would have folded without their arrival. If they do prove good for the club, brilliant - but I don't subscribe to the view that anybody acquiring the club was better than nobody.

Jed McCrory has created a climate of suspicion by his evasiveness and downright untruths. There is no-one else to blame for that and there is no proof needed to justify anyone's reservations. We are now all waiting and hoping - for him to succeed, to prove some of us wrong and to be more open with us.
Pewsham and Wiz, just a few more thoughts on this one... First of all, I was just pointing out that there was obviously more to Baker's concern than simply the possibility of a takeover. Maybe his concern is unfounded but he seems an astute bloke, so I wouldn't dismiss it out of hand. The point is that the owners of a football club, just like its fans, do not need "proof" of anything to be suspicious of it. We all piece together the facts that we know and we form a gut feeling - no proof required. The Football League are in a very different position. They can't fail a person on the "fit and proper" test just because they have reservations about him. It's clear they did have reservations about the takeover because they placed the club in a transfer embargo, which was somehow lifted at literally the last minute of the transfer window. Who knows whether the current owners saved the club or not? Time will tell. I think it's a bit drastic to suggest that we would have folded without their arrival. If they do prove good for the club, brilliant - but I don't subscribe to the view that anybody acquiring the club was better than nobody. Jed McCrory has created a climate of suspicion by his evasiveness and downright untruths. There is no-one else to blame for that and there is no proof needed to justify anyone's reservations. We are now all waiting and hoping - for him to succeed, to prove some of us wrong and to be more open with us. Oi Den!

5:08pm Wed 3 Jul 13

1969andallthat says...

Pewsham Red wrote:
1969andallthat wrote:
Pewsham Red wrote:
Old-Stager, Hilperton wrote:
Ossie90 wrote:
The Town End wrote:
mandrossian wrote: This is a real coup. Big congrats to Jed and co. Don't expect many comments on this thread today as there's nothing to complain about...
Dunno, this thread could be full of idiots like you who have nothing better to do than moan about the moaners and fans that are genuinely concerned about which direction the club is going?...Right I'm off to happy clap and bury my head back in the sand, adios
Unfortunately they wont realise until its too late......! It is frustrating to see the easy ride they are getting. But of course we are all wrong about this board and their motives. Paul Baker of Cheltenham is one of the most respected Chairmen in the Football League..... He was probably wrong about them too....... ;) At least when he does go to Luton, he'll have a few more million to invest than when he came here.... ;)
Paul Baker of Cheltenham is one of the most respected Chairman in the Football League ? Do you think you could clarify that claim Ossie90 ?
I thought the same thing Old Stager. Obviously Ossie knows something we don't, as I have no idea whether this guy is respected or not. Either that or it is another attempt to add the flimsiest of weight to a non-existent issue as there is currently no actual evidence. You going to the Spurs game?
At the very least, Paul Baker has been approved by the FL to be a "fit and proper" person to be a football club director. There is, of course, no evidence that the league have deemed Lee Power, who seems to be running the club's playing affairs, to be worthy of this status. I am sure that the Adver and Sam Morshead will enlighten us as to the progress of LP's application when they can find time between all the non-stories. Or have Jed and LP instructed SM not to follow this up?
Paul Baker is Cheltenham chairman and Jed is ours. Both of whom have passed the fit and proper person test and as far as I am aware, Power had nothing to do with the proposed Cheltenham take over.

Stop chucking in this Power red herring as it has nothing to do with the debate, despite it clearly being a hobby horse of yours.
Just stop telling people what they can and cannot say. Lee Power is THE issue. Have you thought of starting your own forum where only people with your blinkered view can post?
[quote][p][bold]Pewsham Red[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]1969andallthat[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Pewsham Red[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Old-Stager, Hilperton[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ossie90[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Town End[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mandrossian[/bold] wrote: This is a real coup. Big congrats to Jed and co. Don't expect many comments on this thread today as there's nothing to complain about...[/p][/quote]Dunno, this thread could be full of idiots like you who have nothing better to do than moan about the moaners and fans that are genuinely concerned about which direction the club is going?...Right I'm off to happy clap and bury my head back in the sand, adios[/p][/quote]Unfortunately they wont realise until its too late......! It is frustrating to see the easy ride they are getting. But of course we are all wrong about this board and their motives. Paul Baker of Cheltenham is one of the most respected Chairmen in the Football League..... He was probably wrong about them too....... ;) At least when he does go to Luton, he'll have a few more million to invest than when he came here.... ;)[/p][/quote]Paul Baker of Cheltenham is one of the most respected Chairman in the Football League ? Do you think you could clarify that claim Ossie90 ?[/p][/quote]I thought the same thing Old Stager. Obviously Ossie knows something we don't, as I have no idea whether this guy is respected or not. Either that or it is another attempt to add the flimsiest of weight to a non-existent issue as there is currently no actual evidence. You going to the Spurs game?[/p][/quote]At the very least, Paul Baker has been approved by the FL to be a "fit and proper" person to be a football club director. There is, of course, no evidence that the league have deemed Lee Power, who seems to be running the club's playing affairs, to be worthy of this status. I am sure that the Adver and Sam Morshead will enlighten us as to the progress of LP's application when they can find time between all the non-stories. Or have Jed and LP instructed SM not to follow this up?[/p][/quote]Paul Baker is Cheltenham chairman and Jed is ours. Both of whom have passed the fit and proper person test and as far as I am aware, Power had nothing to do with the proposed Cheltenham take over. Stop chucking in this Power red herring as it has nothing to do with the debate, despite it clearly being a hobby horse of yours.[/p][/quote]Just stop telling people what they can and cannot say. Lee Power is THE issue. Have you thought of starting your own forum where only people with your blinkered view can post? 1969andallthat

5:09pm Wed 3 Jul 13

Bassett Hound says...

1969andallthat wrote:
Pewsham Red wrote:
1969andallthat wrote:
Pewsham Red wrote:
Old-Stager, Hilperton wrote:
Ossie90 wrote:
The Town End wrote:
mandrossian wrote: This is a real coup. Big congrats to Jed and co. Don't expect many comments on this thread today as there's nothing to complain about...
Dunno, this thread could be full of idiots like you who have nothing better to do than moan about the moaners and fans that are genuinely concerned about which direction the club is going?...Right I'm off to happy clap and bury my head back in the sand, adios
Unfortunately they wont realise until its too late......! It is frustrating to see the easy ride they are getting. But of course we are all wrong about this board and their motives. Paul Baker of Cheltenham is one of the most respected Chairmen in the Football League..... He was probably wrong about them too....... ;) At least when he does go to Luton, he'll have a few more million to invest than when he came here.... ;)
Paul Baker of Cheltenham is one of the most respected Chairman in the Football League ? Do you think you could clarify that claim Ossie90 ?
I thought the same thing Old Stager. Obviously Ossie knows something we don't, as I have no idea whether this guy is respected or not. Either that or it is another attempt to add the flimsiest of weight to a non-existent issue as there is currently no actual evidence. You going to the Spurs game?
At the very least, Paul Baker has been approved by the FL to be a "fit and proper" person to be a football club director. There is, of course, no evidence that the league have deemed Lee Power, who seems to be running the club's playing affairs, to be worthy of this status. I am sure that the Adver and Sam Morshead will enlighten us as to the progress of LP's application when they can find time between all the non-stories. Or have Jed and LP instructed SM not to follow this up?
Paul Baker is Cheltenham chairman and Jed is ours. Both of whom have passed the fit and proper person test and as far as I am aware, Power had nothing to do with the proposed Cheltenham take over.

Stop chucking in this Power red herring as it has nothing to do with the debate, despite it clearly being a hobby horse of yours.
Just stop telling people what they can and cannot say. Lee Power is THE issue. Have you thought of starting your own forum where only people with your blinkered view can post?
Why is he the issue ?
[quote][p][bold]1969andallthat[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Pewsham Red[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]1969andallthat[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Pewsham Red[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Old-Stager, Hilperton[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ossie90[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Town End[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mandrossian[/bold] wrote: This is a real coup. Big congrats to Jed and co. Don't expect many comments on this thread today as there's nothing to complain about...[/p][/quote]Dunno, this thread could be full of idiots like you who have nothing better to do than moan about the moaners and fans that are genuinely concerned about which direction the club is going?...Right I'm off to happy clap and bury my head back in the sand, adios[/p][/quote]Unfortunately they wont realise until its too late......! It is frustrating to see the easy ride they are getting. But of course we are all wrong about this board and their motives. Paul Baker of Cheltenham is one of the most respected Chairmen in the Football League..... He was probably wrong about them too....... ;) At least when he does go to Luton, he'll have a few more million to invest than when he came here.... ;)[/p][/quote]Paul Baker of Cheltenham is one of the most respected Chairman in the Football League ? Do you think you could clarify that claim Ossie90 ?[/p][/quote]I thought the same thing Old Stager. Obviously Ossie knows something we don't, as I have no idea whether this guy is respected or not. Either that or it is another attempt to add the flimsiest of weight to a non-existent issue as there is currently no actual evidence. You going to the Spurs game?[/p][/quote]At the very least, Paul Baker has been approved by the FL to be a "fit and proper" person to be a football club director. There is, of course, no evidence that the league have deemed Lee Power, who seems to be running the club's playing affairs, to be worthy of this status. I am sure that the Adver and Sam Morshead will enlighten us as to the progress of LP's application when they can find time between all the non-stories. Or have Jed and LP instructed SM not to follow this up?[/p][/quote]Paul Baker is Cheltenham chairman and Jed is ours. Both of whom have passed the fit and proper person test and as far as I am aware, Power had nothing to do with the proposed Cheltenham take over. Stop chucking in this Power red herring as it has nothing to do with the debate, despite it clearly being a hobby horse of yours.[/p][/quote]Just stop telling people what they can and cannot say. Lee Power is THE issue. Have you thought of starting your own forum where only people with your blinkered view can post?[/p][/quote]Why is he the issue ? Bassett Hound

5:10pm Wed 3 Jul 13

the wizard says...

Oi Den! wrote:
Pewsham and Wiz, just a few more thoughts on this one...

First of all, I was just pointing out that there was obviously more to Baker's concern than simply the possibility of a takeover. Maybe his concern is unfounded but he seems an astute bloke, so I wouldn't dismiss it out of hand. The point is that the owners of a football club, just like its fans, do not need "proof" of anything to be suspicious of it. We all piece together the facts that we know and we form a gut feeling - no proof required.

The Football League are in a very different position. They can't fail a person on the "fit and proper" test just because they have reservations about him. It's clear they did have reservations about the takeover because they placed the club in a transfer embargo, which was somehow lifted at literally the last minute of the transfer window.

Who knows whether the current owners saved the club or not? Time will tell. I think it's a bit drastic to suggest that we would have folded without their arrival. If they do prove good for the club, brilliant - but I don't subscribe to the view that anybody acquiring the club was better than nobody.

Jed McCrory has created a climate of suspicion by his evasiveness and downright untruths. There is no-one else to blame for that and there is no proof needed to justify anyone's reservations. We are now all waiting and hoping - for him to succeed, to prove some of us wrong and to be more open with us.
I'd rather wait for him to succeed rather than wait for him to fail.
[quote][p][bold]Oi Den![/bold] wrote: Pewsham and Wiz, just a few more thoughts on this one... First of all, I was just pointing out that there was obviously more to Baker's concern than simply the possibility of a takeover. Maybe his concern is unfounded but he seems an astute bloke, so I wouldn't dismiss it out of hand. The point is that the owners of a football club, just like its fans, do not need "proof" of anything to be suspicious of it. We all piece together the facts that we know and we form a gut feeling - no proof required. The Football League are in a very different position. They can't fail a person on the "fit and proper" test just because they have reservations about him. It's clear they did have reservations about the takeover because they placed the club in a transfer embargo, which was somehow lifted at literally the last minute of the transfer window. Who knows whether the current owners saved the club or not? Time will tell. I think it's a bit drastic to suggest that we would have folded without their arrival. If they do prove good for the club, brilliant - but I don't subscribe to the view that anybody acquiring the club was better than nobody. Jed McCrory has created a climate of suspicion by his evasiveness and downright untruths. There is no-one else to blame for that and there is no proof needed to justify anyone's reservations. We are now all waiting and hoping - for him to succeed, to prove some of us wrong and to be more open with us.[/p][/quote]I'd rather wait for him to succeed rather than wait for him to fail. the wizard

5:23pm Wed 3 Jul 13

Swindon1984 says...

Boring, boring, boring... I literally cannot wait for the new season, one because I'm missing the football, two because hopefully it will give people something to talk about with a degree of clarity - after all, agree or disagree, we can all have an opinion on a match. We have the information to base an opinion on, i.e. we've watched it. It's hard to have an opinion on something when there are multiple unknowns, such as the (perilous or all things rosey depending on your viewpoint) state of the club off the field. We all seem to keep having the same arguments, and a dose of football would be much apreciated for something else to talk about.
Boring, boring, boring... I literally cannot wait for the new season, one because I'm missing the football, two because hopefully it will give people something to talk about with a degree of clarity - after all, agree or disagree, we can all have an opinion on a match. We have the information to base an opinion on, i.e. we've watched it. It's hard to have an opinion on something when there are multiple unknowns, such as the (perilous or all things rosey depending on your viewpoint) state of the club off the field. We all seem to keep having the same arguments, and a dose of football would be much apreciated for something else to talk about. Swindon1984

5:29pm Wed 3 Jul 13

Oi Den! says...

Wiz, isn't that how everyone feels? We all want the club to succeed, which means we all want the Chairman to make it successful. There cannot be any real Town fan who wants him to fail.
Wiz, isn't that how everyone feels? We all want the club to succeed, which means we all want the Chairman to make it successful. There cannot be any real Town fan who wants him to fail. Oi Den!

5:50pm Wed 3 Jul 13

Wilesy says...

There's a difference though with us and Cheltenham situation - we were in a desparate situation seeking new owners in days, whilst Cheltenham weren't.

The STFC view with less pressure may have been similar to Paul Baker's, who knows, and frankly who cares.

As I said yesterday I met Jed briefly after the game and he seemed a good footballing bloke and was chatty with me and my lad. What he said he had done behind the scenes in recent weeks was very impressive.

He's making good progress off and now on the pitch with the new signings, that's good enough for me.
There's a difference though with us and Cheltenham situation - we were in a desparate situation seeking new owners in days, whilst Cheltenham weren't. The STFC view with less pressure may have been similar to Paul Baker's, who knows, and frankly who cares. As I said yesterday I met Jed briefly after the game and he seemed a good footballing bloke and was chatty with me and my lad. What he said he had done behind the scenes in recent weeks was very impressive. He's making good progress off and now on the pitch with the new signings, that's good enough for me. Wilesy

5:57pm Wed 3 Jul 13

Oi Den! says...

Wilesy wrote:
There's a difference though with us and Cheltenham situation - we were in a desparate situation seeking new owners in days, whilst Cheltenham weren't.

The STFC view with less pressure may have been similar to Paul Baker's, who knows, and frankly who cares.

As I said yesterday I met Jed briefly after the game and he seemed a good footballing bloke and was chatty with me and my lad. What he said he had done behind the scenes in recent weeks was very impressive.

He's making good progress off and now on the pitch with the new signings, that's good enough for me.
That's mostly fair Wilesy but "who cares"? I do.
[quote][p][bold]Wilesy[/bold] wrote: There's a difference though with us and Cheltenham situation - we were in a desparate situation seeking new owners in days, whilst Cheltenham weren't. The STFC view with less pressure may have been similar to Paul Baker's, who knows, and frankly who cares. As I said yesterday I met Jed briefly after the game and he seemed a good footballing bloke and was chatty with me and my lad. What he said he had done behind the scenes in recent weeks was very impressive. He's making good progress off and now on the pitch with the new signings, that's good enough for me.[/p][/quote]That's mostly fair Wilesy but "who cares"? I do. Oi Den!

6:16pm Wed 3 Jul 13

Di kanny oh says...

stfcphil wrote:
Pewsham Red wrote:
Ossie90 wrote:
The Town End wrote:
mandrossian wrote: This is a real coup. Big congrats to Jed and co. Don't expect many comments on this thread today as there's nothing to complain about...
Dunno, this thread could be full of idiots like you who have nothing better to do than moan about the moaners and fans that are genuinely concerned about which direction the club is going?...Right I'm off to happy clap and bury my head back in the sand, adios
Unfortunately they wont realise until its too late......! It is frustrating to see the easy ride they are getting. But of course we are all wrong about this board and their motives. Paul Baker of Cheltenham is one of the most respected Chairmen in the Football League..... He was probably wrong about them too....... ;) At least when he does go to Luton, he'll have a few more million to invest than when he came here.... ;)
What do you suggest then Ossie? Perhaps you could enlighten the vast majority of us what we have all been missing. Or town end? He always has lots to say but ends up saying nothing.
I guess all that any of us are asking from the doubters on here is some proof, or evidence that the intentions of Jed & Co are going to scam us and leave us in the brown stuff. It is one thing to keep coming on to the forum, and tell us all that we have our heads in the sand, and it will be too late when we realise, and another thing to actually prove it.
So far, I haven't seen a single shred of fact, or a single suggestion of an alternative. So come on guys! Instead of coming on here averday and just doom-mongering for the sake of it, give us some factual evidence, and if you can prove you are right, I'm sure you will switch a lot of us over to your opinions.
All this constant crap about Jed is really getting on my tits and they are big and flabby as I am overweight but hey who cares. My point is the Football league hold a debenture of 1.2 million so if Jed is fleecing the club he will have to say goodbye to that money when he runs off with all the season ticket money and Flint's transfer money and the tea lady's purse bla bla bla for pete's sake you moaning bunch of boring people give it a rest and support Jed and the club. Been a fantastic few weeks and yet they still find bowlocks to moan about.
[quote][p][bold]stfcphil[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Pewsham Red[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ossie90[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Town End[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mandrossian[/bold] wrote: This is a real coup. Big congrats to Jed and co. Don't expect many comments on this thread today as there's nothing to complain about...[/p][/quote]Dunno, this thread could be full of idiots like you who have nothing better to do than moan about the moaners and fans that are genuinely concerned about which direction the club is going?...Right I'm off to happy clap and bury my head back in the sand, adios[/p][/quote]Unfortunately they wont realise until its too late......! It is frustrating to see the easy ride they are getting. But of course we are all wrong about this board and their motives. Paul Baker of Cheltenham is one of the most respected Chairmen in the Football League..... He was probably wrong about them too....... ;) At least when he does go to Luton, he'll have a few more million to invest than when he came here.... ;)[/p][/quote]What do you suggest then Ossie? Perhaps you could enlighten the vast majority of us what we have all been missing. Or town end? He always has lots to say but ends up saying nothing.[/p][/quote]I guess all that any of us are asking from the doubters on here is some proof, or evidence that the intentions of Jed & Co are going to scam us and leave us in the brown stuff. It is one thing to keep coming on to the forum, and tell us all that we have our heads in the sand, and it will be too late when we realise, and another thing to actually prove it. So far, I haven't seen a single shred of fact, or a single suggestion of an alternative. So come on guys! Instead of coming on here averday and just doom-mongering for the sake of it, give us some factual evidence, and if you can prove you are right, I'm sure you will switch a lot of us over to your opinions.[/p][/quote]All this constant crap about Jed is really getting on my tits and they are big and flabby as I am overweight but hey who cares. My point is the Football league hold a debenture of 1.2 million so if Jed is fleecing the club he will have to say goodbye to that money when he runs off with all the season ticket money and Flint's transfer money and the tea lady's purse bla bla bla for pete's sake you moaning bunch of boring people give it a rest and support Jed and the club. Been a fantastic few weeks and yet they still find bowlocks to moan about. Di kanny oh

6:18pm Wed 3 Jul 13

Di kanny oh says...

Old-Stager, Hilperton wrote:
Ossie90 wrote:
The Town End wrote:
mandrossian wrote:
This is a real coup. Big congrats to Jed and co. Don't expect many comments on this thread today as there's nothing to complain about...
Dunno, this thread could be full of idiots like you who have nothing better to do than moan about the moaners and fans that are genuinely concerned about which direction the club is going?...Right I'm off to happy clap and bury my head back in the sand, adios
Unfortunately they wont realise until its too late......!
It is frustrating to see the easy ride they are getting.
But of course we are all wrong about this board and their motives.
Paul Baker of Cheltenham is one of the most respected Chairmen in the Football League..... He was probably wrong about them too....... ;)
At least when he does go to Luton, he'll have a few more million to invest than when he came here.... ;)
Paul Baker of Cheltenham is one of the most respected Chairman in the Football League ?
Do you think you could clarify that claim Ossie90 ?
Never heard of Paul Baker was he the old Doctor Who.
[quote][p][bold]Old-Stager, Hilperton[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ossie90[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Town End[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mandrossian[/bold] wrote: This is a real coup. Big congrats to Jed and co. Don't expect many comments on this thread today as there's nothing to complain about...[/p][/quote]Dunno, this thread could be full of idiots like you who have nothing better to do than moan about the moaners and fans that are genuinely concerned about which direction the club is going?...Right I'm off to happy clap and bury my head back in the sand, adios[/p][/quote]Unfortunately they wont realise until its too late......! It is frustrating to see the easy ride they are getting. But of course we are all wrong about this board and their motives. Paul Baker of Cheltenham is one of the most respected Chairmen in the Football League..... He was probably wrong about them too....... ;) At least when he does go to Luton, he'll have a few more million to invest than when he came here.... ;)[/p][/quote]Paul Baker of Cheltenham is one of the most respected Chairman in the Football League ? Do you think you could clarify that claim Ossie90 ?[/p][/quote]Never heard of Paul Baker was he the old Doctor Who. Di kanny oh

6:19pm Wed 3 Jul 13

madterrier says...

As I remember it, back in April Jedda said that Power was going to join the board and inject £1.5 million in an 'equity partnership' (whatever one of those is). They were then peeved because the news leaked out while the paperwork was still being reviewed by The Football League.

I think this is a legitimate area of concern. This was over ten weeks ago. That's longer than it took the FL to approve Jedda & co. With Power's dubious business record that left many football clubs in the lurch as creditors, if he does pass the FL test, then it will prove to be virtually meaningless. Meanwhile he seems to be calling the shots at the club. Strange.

There's no point people clamouring for evidence of 'asset stripping'. There won't be any evidence (not yet anyway). Directors can take salaries, fees, dividends from a company they own whenever they like, just as they can pay consultants' fees at any time.

It all comes down to trust. Do you trust these people to maximise the revenue available to the club to spend on players? Or do you think they will take a big cut for themselves? Most supporters would want as much available as possible for the playing side, even in a sustainable model, i.e. a club run as a not-for-profit business.

They wanted full control at Cheltenham. Why? It might have been because they wanted to run things their own way. Or it might have been that they didn't want anyone else on the board with access to the financial books. Jedda was asked if he would allow a Supporters Trust representative on the board and he dismissed it. Why?

Numbers. The last accounts showed a loss of £1.3m on a playing budget of £4.3m. The target, reduced playing budget of £2.4m would, all other things being equal, leave the club in profit to the tune of £0.6m. That's before you add in all the promised extra revenue for pop concerts and catering contracts, and they've reduced admin headcount too.

As Den has said, McCrory has had ample time to dispel the concerns, but he has always evaded or dismissed the issue, or just come up with twaddle.

It all comes down to trust. Each person decides for themselves. For me? I don't trust them.
As I remember it, back in April Jedda said that Power was going to join the board and inject £1.5 million in an 'equity partnership' (whatever one of those is). They were then peeved because the news leaked out while the paperwork was still being reviewed by The Football League. I think this is a legitimate area of concern. This was over ten weeks ago. That's longer than it took the FL to approve Jedda & co. With Power's dubious business record that left many football clubs in the lurch as creditors, if he does pass the FL test, then it will prove to be virtually meaningless. Meanwhile he seems to be calling the shots at the club. Strange. There's no point people clamouring for evidence of 'asset stripping'. There won't be any evidence (not yet anyway). Directors can take salaries, fees, dividends from a company they own whenever they like, just as they can pay consultants' fees at any time. It all comes down to trust. Do you trust these people to maximise the revenue available to the club to spend on players? Or do you think they will take a big cut for themselves? Most supporters would want as much available as possible for the playing side, even in a sustainable model, i.e. a club run as a not-for-profit business. They wanted full control at Cheltenham. Why? It might have been because they wanted to run things their own way. Or it might have been that they didn't want anyone else on the board with access to the financial books. Jedda was asked if he would allow a Supporters Trust representative on the board and he dismissed it. Why? Numbers. The last accounts showed a loss of £1.3m on a playing budget of £4.3m. The target, reduced playing budget of £2.4m would, all other things being equal, leave the club in profit to the tune of £0.6m. That's before you add in all the promised extra revenue for pop concerts and catering contracts, and they've reduced admin headcount too. As Den has said, McCrory has had ample time to dispel the concerns, but he has always evaded or dismissed the issue, or just come up with twaddle. It all comes down to trust. Each person decides for themselves. For me? I don't trust them. madterrier

6:23pm Wed 3 Jul 13

Pewsham Red says...

1969andallthat wrote:
Pewsham Red wrote:
1969andallthat wrote:
Pewsham Red wrote:
Old-Stager, Hilperton wrote:
Ossie90 wrote:
The Town End wrote:
mandrossian wrote: This is a real coup. Big congrats to Jed and co. Don't expect many comments on this thread today as there's nothing to complain about...
Dunno, this thread could be full of idiots like you who have nothing better to do than moan about the moaners and fans that are genuinely concerned about which direction the club is going?...Right I'm off to happy clap and bury my head back in the sand, adios
Unfortunately they wont realise until its too late......! It is frustrating to see the easy ride they are getting. But of course we are all wrong about this board and their motives. Paul Baker of Cheltenham is one of the most respected Chairmen in the Football League..... He was probably wrong about them too....... ;) At least when he does go to Luton, he'll have a few more million to invest than when he came here.... ;)
Paul Baker of Cheltenham is one of the most respected Chairman in the Football League ? Do you think you could clarify that claim Ossie90 ?
I thought the same thing Old Stager. Obviously Ossie knows something we don't, as I have no idea whether this guy is respected or not. Either that or it is another attempt to add the flimsiest of weight to a non-existent issue as there is currently no actual evidence. You going to the Spurs game?
At the very least, Paul Baker has been approved by the FL to be a "fit and proper" person to be a football club director. There is, of course, no evidence that the league have deemed Lee Power, who seems to be running the club's playing affairs, to be worthy of this status. I am sure that the Adver and Sam Morshead will enlighten us as to the progress of LP's application when they can find time between all the non-stories. Or have Jed and LP instructed SM not to follow this up?
Paul Baker is Cheltenham chairman and Jed is ours. Both of whom have passed the fit and proper person test and as far as I am aware, Power had nothing to do with the proposed Cheltenham take over.

Stop chucking in this Power red herring as it has nothing to do with the debate, despite it clearly being a hobby horse of yours.
Just stop telling people what they can and cannot say. Lee Power is THE issue. Have you thought of starting your own forum where only people with your blinkered view can post?
He is YOUR issue! No one else seems to mention him but you and you manage to shoe horn him into every post, irrespective of the topic.

For example, you jumped into a debate regarding Cheltenham's decision not to sell to Jed and hijacked it with your Lee Power 'red herring'. Have you thought of starting YOUR own forum where you can bring up Lee Power to your hearts content and argue with yourself?

Also a bit rich calling other people blinkered when it is you, and you alone, who seems to think Lee Power is THE issue. Pot, kettle, black springs to mind.
[quote][p][bold]1969andallthat[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Pewsham Red[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]1969andallthat[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Pewsham Red[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Old-Stager, Hilperton[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Ossie90[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]The Town End[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mandrossian[/bold] wrote: This is a real coup. Big congrats to Jed and co. Don't expect many comments on this thread today as there's nothing to complain about...[/p][/quote]Dunno, this thread could be full of idiots like you who have nothing better to do than moan about the moaners and fans that are genuinely concerned about which direction the club is going?...Right I'm off to happy clap and bury my head back in the sand, adios[/p][/quote]Unfortunately they wont realise until its too late......! It is frustrating to see the easy ride they are getting. But of course we are all wrong about this board and their motives. Paul Baker of Cheltenham is one of the most respected Chairmen in the Football League..... He was probably wrong about them too....... ;) At least when he does go to Luton, he'll have a few more million to invest than when he came here.... ;)[/p][/quote]Paul Baker of Cheltenham is one of the most respected Chairman in the Football League ? Do you think you could clarify that claim Ossie90 ?[/p][/quote]I thought the same thing Old Stager. Obviously Ossie knows something we don't, as I have no idea whether this guy is respected or not. Either that or it is another attempt to add the flimsiest of weight to a non-existent issue as there is currently no actual evidence. You going to the Spurs game?[/p][/quote]At the very least, Paul Baker has been approved by the FL to be a "fit and proper" person to be a football club director. There is, of course, no evidence that the league have deemed Lee Power, who seems to be running the club's playing affairs, to be worthy of this status. I am sure that the Adver and Sam Morshead will enlighten us as to the progress of LP's application when they can find time between all the non-stories. Or have Jed and LP instructed SM not to follow this up?[/p][/quote]Paul Baker is Cheltenham chairman and Jed is ours. Both of whom have passed the fit and proper person test and as far as I am aware, Power had nothing to do with the proposed Cheltenham take over. Stop chucking in this Power red herring as it has nothing to do with the debate, despite it clearly being a hobby horse of yours.[/p][/quote]Just stop telling people what they can and cannot say. Lee Power is THE issue. Have you thought of starting your own forum where only people with your blinkered view can post?[/p][/quote]He is YOUR issue! No one else seems to mention him but you and you manage to shoe horn him into every post, irrespective of the topic. For example, you jumped into a debate regarding Cheltenham's decision not to sell to Jed and hijacked it with your Lee Power 'red herring'. Have you thought of starting YOUR own forum where you can bring up Lee Power to your hearts content and argue with yourself? Also a bit rich calling other people blinkered when it is you, and you alone, who seems to think Lee Power is THE issue. Pot, kettle, black springs to mind. Pewsham Red

6:41pm Wed 3 Jul 13

Pewsham Red says...

Oi Den! wrote:
Pewsham and Wiz, just a few more thoughts on this one...

First of all, I was just pointing out that there was obviously more to Baker's concern than simply the possibility of a takeover. Maybe his concern is unfounded but he seems an astute bloke, so I wouldn't dismiss it out of hand. The point is that the owners of a football club, just like its fans, do not need "proof" of anything to be suspicious of it. We all piece together the facts that we know and we form a gut feeling - no proof required.

The Football League are in a very different position. They can't fail a person on the "fit and proper" test just because they have reservations about him. It's clear they did have reservations about the takeover because they placed the club in a transfer embargo, which was somehow lifted at literally the last minute of the transfer window.

Who knows whether the current owners saved the club or not? Time will tell. I think it's a bit drastic to suggest that we would have folded without their arrival. If they do prove good for the club, brilliant - but I don't subscribe to the view that anybody acquiring the club was better than nobody.

Jed McCrory has created a climate of suspicion by his evasiveness and downright untruths. There is no-one else to blame for that and there is no proof needed to justify anyone's reservations. We are now all waiting and hoping - for him to succeed, to prove some of us wrong and to be more open with us.
That's all very reasonable Den, and you make some valid points.

I took Bakers concern to be that Jed wanted a 51% stake, which seems reasonable. A previous poster has suggested it may have been to be able to hide the financial facts. It seems that we are seeing things that may not be so and I don't recall such comments when Black took over.

You are suspicious of Jed and his motives. I think that is fair and I am suspicious of anyone who is not a fan of a club to be putting in money that historically has seen little return. But surely that would also apply to Black and many before him, not just at this club.

I wouldn't say that we should be more suspicious of Jed for that, but there seem to be a number who are.

We have all seen and heard the same things, yet some think he is a crook and will not trust anything he says, there are some who have an element of suspicion and are reserving judgement others aren't bothered one way or the other and some think he is a decent bloke.

You are right, much of this is down to gut feel, so there will be no 'evidence' but there are some on here that like to twist the evidence, imply wrong doing or simply make stuff up.
[quote][p][bold]Oi Den![/bold] wrote: Pewsham and Wiz, just a few more thoughts on this one... First of all, I was just pointing out that there was obviously more to Baker's concern than simply the possibility of a takeover. Maybe his concern is unfounded but he seems an astute bloke, so I wouldn't dismiss it out of hand. The point is that the owners of a football club, just like its fans, do not need "proof" of anything to be suspicious of it. We all piece together the facts that we know and we form a gut feeling - no proof required. The Football League are in a very different position. They can't fail a person on the "fit and proper" test just because they have reservations about him. It's clear they did have reservations about the takeover because they placed the club in a transfer embargo, which was somehow lifted at literally the last minute of the transfer window. Who knows whether the current owners saved the club or not? Time will tell. I think it's a bit drastic to suggest that we would have folded without their arrival. If they do prove good for the club, brilliant - but I don't subscribe to the view that anybody acquiring the club was better than nobody. Jed McCrory has created a climate of suspicion by his evasiveness and downright untruths. There is no-one else to blame for that and there is no proof needed to justify anyone's reservations. We are now all waiting and hoping - for him to succeed, to prove some of us wrong and to be more open with us.[/p][/quote]That's all very reasonable Den, and you make some valid points. I took Bakers concern to be that Jed wanted a 51% stake, which seems reasonable. A previous poster has suggested it may have been to be able to hide the financial facts. It seems that we are seeing things that may not be so and I don't recall such comments when Black took over. You are suspicious of Jed and his motives. I think that is fair and I am suspicious of anyone who is not a fan of a club to be putting in money that historically has seen little return. But surely that would also apply to Black and many before him, not just at this club. I wouldn't say that we should be more suspicious of Jed for that, but there seem to be a number who are. We have all seen and heard the same things, yet some think he is a crook and will not trust anything he says, there are some who have an element of suspicion and are reserving judgement others aren't bothered one way or the other and some think he is a decent bloke. You are right, much of this is down to gut feel, so there will be no 'evidence' but there are some on here that like to twist the evidence, imply wrong doing or simply make stuff up. Pewsham Red

6:42pm Wed 3 Jul 13

the wizard says...

Den,
I'm not going to keep quoting and pasting, it takes up too much space. I think the whole Jed and Lee Power issue has been done to the death and beyond. It is high time people realised that the FL will step in if things are not correct. There is a £1.2 M bond in place so I'm given to believe so I cannot see Jed leaving that behind.
If folk here seriously believe that Lee Power is a liability then they should gather evidence, get legal representation and then forward the evidence to the relevant parties, Police, FL and Board of Trade.

Just some perspective, I'm believing that the same Lee Power has used his contacts to bring in a whole raft of new players at minimal cost to help this club forward. Its time for the fan base to be very grateful for the promise of the new season with players who want to further their careers and take this club forward in a good manner. No wild rants, no kicking down doors, no big bust ups, just normal players and player management.
Seems the work ethic here now is head down and quietly get on with it, time for the fan base to do the same. Any wrong doing will be quickly seen and dealt with no doubt.
Den, I'm not going to keep quoting and pasting, it takes up too much space. I think the whole Jed and Lee Power issue has been done to the death and beyond. It is high time people realised that the FL will step in if things are not correct. There is a £1.2 M bond in place so I'm given to believe so I cannot see Jed leaving that behind. If folk here seriously believe that Lee Power is a liability then they should gather evidence, get legal representation and then forward the evidence to the relevant parties, Police, FL and Board of Trade. Just some perspective, I'm believing that the same Lee Power has used his contacts to bring in a whole raft of new players at minimal cost to help this club forward. Its time for the fan base to be very grateful for the promise of the new season with players who want to further their careers and take this club forward in a good manner. No wild rants, no kicking down doors, no big bust ups, just normal players and player management. Seems the work ethic here now is head down and quietly get on with it, time for the fan base to do the same. Any wrong doing will be quickly seen and dealt with no doubt. the wizard

7:03pm Wed 3 Jul 13

madterrier says...

Wizard,

You're making a lot of assumptions and presenting them as facts.

I don't think the Football League 'steps in' as you suggest. Well, I know they don't. They are fairly passive, only dishing out points deductions when clubs go into administration. Up until then, they usually leave clubs to flounder in their own mess. The Football League simply doesn't have the resources, the mandate, or the balls to monitor clubs' boardrooms and do much more than they do at present (which is next to nothing). e.g. Coventry - they have pleaded with the FL to intervene over the proposed sale to Otium, but the FL doesn't want to know.

We don't know that the Spurs players are here at 'minimal cost'. It would be nice if they are, but we don't know the terms.

As to this £1.2m 'bond', well I'm very dubious about this. There's nothing in Football League regulations about requiring a bond, nor any evidence of anything being held in trust or ring fenced by the Football League. This would be a highly unusual and unique-to-Swindon situation, if true. Never heard of any other club ever required to do this. Why take it as read that it is there? Where's the evidence of this mystery bond?

'Wrong doing' in the eyes of supporters would be owners taking a lot of money out, rather than putting it in! No-one will be able to see it and no-one will be able to deal with it as it won't strictly be wrong doing, even if it is to the detriment of the club.
Wizard, You're making a lot of assumptions and presenting them as facts. I don't think the Football League 'steps in' as you suggest. Well, I know they don't. They are fairly passive, only dishing out points deductions when clubs go into administration. Up until then, they usually leave clubs to flounder in their own mess. The Football League simply doesn't have the resources, the mandate, or the balls to monitor clubs' boardrooms and do much more than they do at present (which is next to nothing). e.g. Coventry - they have pleaded with the FL to intervene over the proposed sale to Otium, but the FL doesn't want to know. We don't know that the Spurs players are here at 'minimal cost'. It would be nice if they are, but we don't know the terms. As to this £1.2m 'bond', well I'm very dubious about this. There's nothing in Football League regulations about requiring a bond, nor any evidence of anything being held in trust or ring fenced by the Football League. This would be a highly unusual and unique-to-Swindon situation, if true. Never heard of any other club ever required to do this. Why take it as read that it is there? Where's the evidence of this mystery bond? 'Wrong doing' in the eyes of supporters would be owners taking a lot of money out, rather than putting it in! No-one will be able to see it and no-one will be able to deal with it as it won't strictly be wrong doing, even if it is to the detriment of the club. madterrier

7:18pm Wed 3 Jul 13

Di kanny oh says...

madterrier wrote:
Wizard,

You're making a lot of assumptions and presenting them as facts.

I don't think the Football League 'steps in' as you suggest. Well, I know they don't. They are fairly passive, only dishing out points deductions when clubs go into administration. Up until then, they usually leave clubs to flounder in their own mess. The Football League simply doesn't have the resources, the mandate, or the balls to monitor clubs' boardrooms and do much more than they do at present (which is next to nothing). e.g. Coventry - they have pleaded with the FL to intervene over the proposed sale to Otium, but the FL doesn't want to know.

We don't know that the Spurs players are here at 'minimal cost'. It would be nice if they are, but we don't know the terms.

As to this £1.2m 'bond', well I'm very dubious about this. There's nothing in Football League regulations about requiring a bond, nor any evidence of anything being held in trust or ring fenced by the Football League. This would be a highly unusual and unique-to-Swindon situation, if true. Never heard of any other club ever required to do this. Why take it as read that it is there? Where's the evidence of this mystery bond?

'Wrong doing' in the eyes of supporters would be owners taking a lot of money out, rather than putting it in! No-one will be able to see it and no-one will be able to deal with it as it won't strictly be wrong doing, even if it is to the detriment of the club.
Well the adver reported the 1.2 million months ago so may be ought to ask them.Im sure we were in embargo and the FL asked the board to file the 1.2 million debenture to show they had funds. And as far as I was aware they did just that and we came out of embargo with seconds to spare and signed Luongo Parret and Byrne.
[quote][p][bold]madterrier[/bold] wrote: Wizard, You're making a lot of assumptions and presenting them as facts. I don't think the Football League 'steps in' as you suggest. Well, I know they don't. They are fairly passive, only dishing out points deductions when clubs go into administration. Up until then, they usually leave clubs to flounder in their own mess. The Football League simply doesn't have the resources, the mandate, or the balls to monitor clubs' boardrooms and do much more than they do at present (which is next to nothing). e.g. Coventry - they have pleaded with the FL to intervene over the proposed sale to Otium, but the FL doesn't want to know. We don't know that the Spurs players are here at 'minimal cost'. It would be nice if they are, but we don't know the terms. As to this £1.2m 'bond', well I'm very dubious about this. There's nothing in Football League regulations about requiring a bond, nor any evidence of anything being held in trust or ring fenced by the Football League. This would be a highly unusual and unique-to-Swindon situation, if true. Never heard of any other club ever required to do this. Why take it as read that it is there? Where's the evidence of this mystery bond? 'Wrong doing' in the eyes of supporters would be owners taking a lot of money out, rather than putting it in! No-one will be able to see it and no-one will be able to deal with it as it won't strictly be wrong doing, even if it is to the detriment of the club.[/p][/quote]Well the adver reported the 1.2 million months ago so may be ought to ask them.Im sure we were in embargo and the FL asked the board to file the 1.2 million debenture to show they had funds. And as far as I was aware they did just that and we came out of embargo with seconds to spare and signed Luongo Parret and Byrne. Di kanny oh

7:33pm Wed 3 Jul 13

mancrobin says...

Oi Den! wrote:
Pewsham and Wiz, just a few more thoughts on this one...

First of all, I was just pointing out that there was obviously more to Baker's concern than simply the possibility of a takeover. Maybe his concern is unfounded but he seems an astute bloke, so I wouldn't dismiss it out of hand. The point is that the owners of a football club, just like its fans, do not need "proof" of anything to be suspicious of it. We all piece together the facts that we know and we form a gut feeling - no proof required.

The Football League are in a very different position. They can't fail a person on the "fit and proper" test just because they have reservations about him. It's clear they did have reservations about the takeover because they placed the club in a transfer embargo, which was somehow lifted at literally the last minute of the transfer window.

Who knows whether the current owners saved the club or not? Time will tell. I think it's a bit drastic to suggest that we would have folded without their arrival. If they do prove good for the club, brilliant - but I don't subscribe to the view that anybody acquiring the club was better than nobody.

Jed McCrory has created a climate of suspicion by his evasiveness and downright untruths. There is no-one else to blame for that and there is no proof needed to justify anyone's reservations. We are now all waiting and hoping - for him to succeed, to prove some of us wrong and to be more open with us.
Den, for someone who I see as very rational in their arguments, this looks out of character.

I accept that you shouldn't ignore a hunch or intuition but where is the evidence here?

The Police used to arrest people for 'looking shifty' or someone wouldn't get a job because they 'just didn't feel right'.

What I'm saying is a hunch can easily turn in to a prejudiced view. That's not your style. Let's give the Board a chance to provide some evidence to back our views.

I would say the evidence in the last few days has been very favourable. But still too early to jump to conclusions.
[quote][p][bold]Oi Den![/bold] wrote: Pewsham and Wiz, just a few more thoughts on this one... First of all, I was just pointing out that there was obviously more to Baker's concern than simply the possibility of a takeover. Maybe his concern is unfounded but he seems an astute bloke, so I wouldn't dismiss it out of hand. The point is that the owners of a football club, just like its fans, do not need "proof" of anything to be suspicious of it. We all piece together the facts that we know and we form a gut feeling - no proof required. The Football League are in a very different position. They can't fail a person on the "fit and proper" test just because they have reservations about him. It's clear they did have reservations about the takeover because they placed the club in a transfer embargo, which was somehow lifted at literally the last minute of the transfer window. Who knows whether the current owners saved the club or not? Time will tell. I think it's a bit drastic to suggest that we would have folded without their arrival. If they do prove good for the club, brilliant - but I don't subscribe to the view that anybody acquiring the club was better than nobody. Jed McCrory has created a climate of suspicion by his evasiveness and downright untruths. There is no-one else to blame for that and there is no proof needed to justify anyone's reservations. We are now all waiting and hoping - for him to succeed, to prove some of us wrong and to be more open with us.[/p][/quote]Den, for someone who I see as very rational in their arguments, this looks out of character. I accept that you shouldn't ignore a hunch or intuition but where is the evidence here? The Police used to arrest people for 'looking shifty' or someone wouldn't get a job because they 'just didn't feel right'. What I'm saying is a hunch can easily turn in to a prejudiced view. That's not your style. Let's give the Board a chance to provide some evidence to back our views. I would say the evidence in the last few days has been very favourable. But still too early to jump to conclusions. mancrobin

7:43pm Wed 3 Jul 13

Wilesy says...

Oi Den! wrote:
Wilesy wrote:
There's a difference though with us and Cheltenham situation - we were in a desparate situation seeking new owners in days, whilst Cheltenham weren't.

The STFC view with less pressure may have been similar to Paul Baker's, who knows, and frankly who cares.

As I said yesterday I met Jed briefly after the game and he seemed a good footballing bloke and was chatty with me and my lad. What he said he had done behind the scenes in recent weeks was very impressive.

He's making good progress off and now on the pitch with the new signings, that's good enough for me.
That's mostly fair Wilesy but "who cares"? I do.
OK, but it's all what's and if's and now history so I'm not bothered, 100% looking forward for me not backward.

Interested to see how long the two triallists up front first half hang about, despite working hard I had flashbacks of Pericard and Dossevi. They were miles behind Storey and Willo on last nights showing they will need to improve quickly I would suggest.
[quote][p][bold]Oi Den![/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Wilesy[/bold] wrote: There's a difference though with us and Cheltenham situation - we were in a desparate situation seeking new owners in days, whilst Cheltenham weren't. The STFC view with less pressure may have been similar to Paul Baker's, who knows, and frankly who cares. As I said yesterday I met Jed briefly after the game and he seemed a good footballing bloke and was chatty with me and my lad. What he said he had done behind the scenes in recent weeks was very impressive. He's making good progress off and now on the pitch with the new signings, that's good enough for me.[/p][/quote]That's mostly fair Wilesy but "who cares"? I do.[/p][/quote]OK, but it's all what's and if's and now history so I'm not bothered, 100% looking forward for me not backward. Interested to see how long the two triallists up front first half hang about, despite working hard I had flashbacks of Pericard and Dossevi. They were miles behind Storey and Willo on last nights showing they will need to improve quickly I would suggest. Wilesy

7:55pm Wed 3 Jul 13

the wizard says...

Terrier,

If I'm guilty of making assumptions to the good then others must be equally guilty of making assumptions otherwise, good, bad or indifferent.

There would be no point what so ever if Power was bringing in highly paid players, we would be in the same position money wise as we were before if that was the case.

Streamlining of staff to get the wage bill down has been sensibly approached, as other players have new and renewed contracts.

If I owned or had just taken over a football club, especially under the same circumstances that Jed did, I would not give direct answers, until I was aware of all the facts, something which he plainly wasn't, as there was insufficient time. For that I blame Black and Patey. In all take overs a bit gets swept under the carpet that is not found until later, hence the infamous government note left about all the money being gone.

Unless anybody has hard factual proof, accounts, audits or what ever there is no point in continuing the argument as it cannot be proven. Like many others I was getting het up over all of this, and I can assure you, its not worth it. Its time to let it go, at least for now, and see how things pan out.

I must admit that I am more than very surprised that this keeps surfacing. Power seems to be doing a decent job, and how much involvement he actually does have is not really for us to question, that is Jeds responsibility and choice. I'm more interested in Crouch, and how he is getting to grips with things and what he is managing to do to help the club forwards in a positive manner.
Terrier, If I'm guilty of making assumptions to the good then others must be equally guilty of making assumptions otherwise, good, bad or indifferent. There would be no point what so ever if Power was bringing in highly paid players, we would be in the same position money wise as we were before if that was the case. Streamlining of staff to get the wage bill down has been sensibly approached, as other players have new and renewed contracts. If I owned or had just taken over a football club, especially under the same circumstances that Jed did, I would not give direct answers, until I was aware of all the facts, something which he plainly wasn't, as there was insufficient time. For that I blame Black and Patey. In all take overs a bit gets swept under the carpet that is not found until later, hence the infamous government note left about all the money being gone. Unless anybody has hard factual proof, accounts, audits or what ever there is no point in continuing the argument as it cannot be proven. Like many others I was getting het up over all of this, and I can assure you, its not worth it. Its time to let it go, at least for now, and see how things pan out. I must admit that I am more than very surprised that this keeps surfacing. Power seems to be doing a decent job, and how much involvement he actually does have is not really for us to question, that is Jeds responsibility and choice. I'm more interested in Crouch, and how he is getting to grips with things and what he is managing to do to help the club forwards in a positive manner. the wizard

9:36pm Wed 3 Jul 13

Oi Den! says...

manc, I just don't understand all this stuff about evidence, proof etc. The only allegation I have ever levelled at the owners is that they bullshiitted the fans over several issues and dodged the question on several others. Can anyone seriously deny that? It's the sole reason for my unease. I don't want to keep going on about it any more than other people. As I've said, I want the owners to succeed - but I can't help feeling uneasy in the face of the "evidence" (if you will) of their bullshiitting.

That's it from me on this. I'll concentrate on the football from now on. I reckon we've got a good manager who has a massive task ahead of him. I hope all fans will understand his position.
manc, I just don't understand all this stuff about evidence, proof etc. The only allegation I have ever levelled at the owners is that they bullshiitted the fans over several issues and dodged the question on several others. Can anyone seriously deny that? It's the sole reason for my unease. I don't want to keep going on about it any more than other people. As I've said, I want the owners to succeed - but I can't help feeling uneasy in the face of the "evidence" (if you will) of their bullshiitting. That's it from me on this. I'll concentrate on the football from now on. I reckon we've got a good manager who has a massive task ahead of him. I hope all fans will understand his position. Oi Den!

9:39pm Wed 3 Jul 13

the wizard says...

Good on yer Den, I think Kevin's future in the game as a whole will be judged on this next season, and his mission which he has already accepted. Brave man. Obviously has strong belief in his skills and what he can do.
Good on yer Den, I think Kevin's future in the game as a whole will be judged on this next season, and his mission which he has already accepted. Brave man. Obviously has strong belief in his skills and what he can do. the wizard

10:06pm Wed 3 Jul 13

Di kanny oh says...

Oi Den! wrote:
manc, I just don't understand all this stuff about evidence, proof etc. The only allegation I have ever levelled at the owners is that they bullshiitted the fans over several issues and dodged the question on several others. Can anyone seriously deny that? It's the sole reason for my unease. I don't want to keep going on about it any more than other people. As I've said, I want the owners to succeed - but I can't help feeling uneasy in the face of the "evidence" (if you will) of their bullshiitting.

That's it from me on this. I'll concentrate on the football from now on. I reckon we've got a good manager who has a massive task ahead of him. I hope all fans will understand his position.
I was as concerned if not even more about our board Den and the lack of communication and dodgy history but reading many of Jeds comments on twitter the guy does answer any civil question and has no real problem speaking to fans when out and about. I and many expected the board to communicate with us fans through the media like the adver but they did fall out big time with them so can understand their reluctance to use this avenue. I have been more than impressed with the board lately and can only offer them praise in what they are doing at the club and the team look full of excitement and young hungry kids with points to prove in most cases. All I want as a fan is a stable club with players giving 100% and to be fair the jury is still out on all of this but we will all need to just wait and see and give everyone enough time to show what they can do. The board have been excellent past few weeks and Jed did say be patient and see who comes in on the player front and I forecast exciting times ahead. Bringing Luongo back has been massively impressive and one player I could not see coming back to this level. As you say Den time to concentrate on the football and its looking great from where I am sitting.
[quote][p][bold]Oi Den![/bold] wrote: manc, I just don't understand all this stuff about evidence, proof etc. The only allegation I have ever levelled at the owners is that they bullshiitted the fans over several issues and dodged the question on several others. Can anyone seriously deny that? It's the sole reason for my unease. I don't want to keep going on about it any more than other people. As I've said, I want the owners to succeed - but I can't help feeling uneasy in the face of the "evidence" (if you will) of their bullshiitting. That's it from me on this. I'll concentrate on the football from now on. I reckon we've got a good manager who has a massive task ahead of him. I hope all fans will understand his position.[/p][/quote]I was as concerned if not even more about our board Den and the lack of communication and dodgy history but reading many of Jeds comments on twitter the guy does answer any civil question and has no real problem speaking to fans when out and about. I and many expected the board to communicate with us fans through the media like the adver but they did fall out big time with them so can understand their reluctance to use this avenue. I have been more than impressed with the board lately and can only offer them praise in what they are doing at the club and the team look full of excitement and young hungry kids with points to prove in most cases. All I want as a fan is a stable club with players giving 100% and to be fair the jury is still out on all of this but we will all need to just wait and see and give everyone enough time to show what they can do. The board have been excellent past few weeks and Jed did say be patient and see who comes in on the player front and I forecast exciting times ahead. Bringing Luongo back has been massively impressive and one player I could not see coming back to this level. As you say Den time to concentrate on the football and its looking great from where I am sitting. Di kanny oh

10:21pm Wed 3 Jul 13

dreamofacleansheet2 says...

Who's saying Power hasn't been paid for bringing players in?

I for one don't care if we do it on the pitch.....
Who's saying Power hasn't been paid for bringing players in? I for one don't care if we do it on the pitch..... dreamofacleansheet2

11:18pm Wed 3 Jul 13

Di kanny oh says...

dreamofacleansheet2 wrote:
Who's saying Power hasn't been paid for bringing players in?

I for one don't care if we do it on the pitch.....
Totally agree blimey Phil Spencer took enough money out of this club.
[quote][p][bold]dreamofacleansheet2[/bold] wrote: Who's saying Power hasn't been paid for bringing players in? I for one don't care if we do it on the pitch.....[/p][/quote]Totally agree blimey Phil Spencer took enough money out of this club. Di kanny oh

11:35pm Wed 3 Jul 13

the wizard says...

I wonder just how much Spencer got for lining up Magera ??? Bet he laughed all the way to the bank.
I wonder just how much Spencer got for lining up Magera ??? Bet he laughed all the way to the bank. the wizard

2:51pm Tue 9 Jul 13

bussy1 says...

Judging by the photo he looks overjoyed at joining the club.
Judging by the photo he looks overjoyed at joining the club. bussy1

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